Ladakh Flash Point

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Figaro

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Lets be realistic here. Tibet will never be a gateway for exchange goods and people between China and India even if one day China and India will become allies. Not in the next 100 years, even in the next one thousand years or even ten thousand years. Its just a simple fact the Tibetan plateau, averages at 4300 meters. This even excludes the higher altitudes of the Himalayas range which acts as dividing wall between China and India. It takes so much potential energy to lift 1 kilogram of something in there, not to mention the kinetic energy needed to transfer from developed places below the Tibet plateau to developed places in Tibet plateau.

This is the reason why logistics to Tibet is poor over the centuries because of so much energy cost to move something with little return.

Majority of goods are moved on oceans over distances because the potential energy cost is zero.
Its very expensive to move 1 TEU container 4 km up.

China values Tibet for strategic reasons not for economic reasons.
Even if Tibet holds no strategic or economic value at all, China will still defend it to the death. There seems to be a huge global misconception that China is only defending Tibet and Xinjiang because they are extremely strategically valuable (e.g. OBOR, CPEC). But what they have forgotten is that these are all Chinese territories and as such, will be defended to the upmost means.
 

Temstar

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It's absurd that Brazil and Bulgaria are in front of China. I am very familiar with Brazil and just recently went to Bulgaria. Both countries are much poor than China and their food in terms of how expensive to locals are way less affordable comparing to China. People made up this list had no idea how people eat in China.
People also had a list that said the USA was most well prepared country to handle a pandemic
 

discspinner

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It's absurd that Brazil and Bulgaria are in front of China. I am very familiar with Brazil and just recently went to Bulgaria. Both countries are much poor than China and their food in terms of how expensive to locals are way less affordable comparing to China. People made up this list had no idea how people eat in China.

same people who came up with the global pandemic preparedness index I suppose?
 

discspinner

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Even if Tibet holds no strategic or economic value at all, China will still defend it to the death. There seems to be a huge global misconception that China is only defending Tibet and Xinjiang because they are extremely strategically valuable (e.g. OBOR, CPEC). But what they have forgotten is that these are all Chinese territories and as such, will be defended to the upmost means.


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Some day Tibet will be an ideal place for humanity's spaceport via electromagnetically launched vehicles.
 

ougoah

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This EM space launch stuff is beyond off-topic. It's also ridiculously unsuitable for space launch what kind of investor scam are these guys running? What package can survive the g forces of such rapid acceleration? Unless they want to build a barrel a few hundred meters long/kilometers long to slow down the rate.
 

discspinner

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This EM space launch stuff is beyond off-topic. It's also ridiculously unsuitable for space launch what kind of investor scam are these guys running? What package can survive the g forces of such rapid acceleration? Unless they want to build a barrel a few hundred meters long/kilometers long to slow down the rate.

Not an expert, but I suspect the length of the launch rail to be on the order of 10 - 100 km long, hence Tibet.
 

NeutralWarrior

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Nice!

But..but..but I just don't understand PLA's arrangement;

1. New winter outfit with new camo + Old helmet (I really hate the old helmet) for border troopers.
2. New FAST helmet with new camo + Old uniform for paratroopers.

Why..oh..why??

Get a sneak peek of PLA’s new winter gear at the 4:00 mark.

 

Maxef208

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Nice!

But..but..but I just don't understand PLA's arrangement;

1. New winter outfit with new camo + Old helmet (I really hate the old helmet) for border troopers.
2. New FAST helmet with new camo + Old uniform for paratroopers.

Why..oh..why??
Personally I don't get why they still have high vis patches, especially on the forehead. I hope they are removable. You can argue that they don't make that much of a difference, but little things like that can give you away. Afaik that's why you saw some PLA troops taking off red stars on their headgear in the sino-viet wars.
I actually get why airborne would get fast helmets, weight reduction. Similar to how the Fallschirmjager of Germany had short stahlhelms. Border troops would probably like the bigger helmet for protection from elements and anything else.
 

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Lets be realistic here. Tibet will never be a gateway for exchange goods and people between China and India even if one day China and India will become allies. Not in the next 100 years, even in the next one thousand years or even ten thousand years. Its just a simple fact the Tibetan plateau, averages at 4300 meters. This even excludes the higher altitudes of the Himalayas range which acts as dividing wall between China and India. It takes so much potential energy to lift 1 kilogram of something in there, not to mention the kinetic energy needed to transfer from developed places below the Tibet plateau to developed places in Tibet plateau.

This is the reason why logistics to Tibet is poor over the centuries because of so much energy cost to move something with little return.

Majority of goods are moved on oceans over distances because the potential energy cost is zero.
Its very expensive to move 1 TEU container 4 km up.

China values Tibet for strategic reasons not for economic reasons.

The alternative is to go through the Straits of Malacca or through Aksai Chin to Kashmir. In either case, it implies a massive horizontal detour.

The direct route is potentially the best route; Tibet is going to get fortified and connected to deal with the Indians, but with better transit links between the Tibetan frontier and the Chinese heartland, it'll be rational to have trade go through the mountains instead of using the sea route (
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or 7000 km sea distance vs 2560 km air distance).
 
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