Ladakh Flash Point

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plawolf

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One of the arguments put forth by the Indians for having the toehold at Depsang plains is because a tactical advantage gained there can allow Indian armor to move east and potentially cut off G219 highway running between Xinjiang and Tibet. The biggest flaw to this argument is the assumption that cutting G219 somehow will facilitate a collapse of China's supply lines.

Think about it. Where would be the most important location for PLA supplies to reach in the event that somehow the Indian army actually manages to cut off G219? You guessed it, it would be that point of the G219 itself. And China would still have the remainder of the G219 to facilitate that.

That’s actually a good example of how Indian strategic thinking is still stick in 1962. G219 was important back in 1962 when it was the main modern transport link into Tibet for China, but today it’s just another highway in China. Cut that off and there are still dozens, if not hundreds of other road and rail routes, not to mention air links and even cross country.

Although one point I would Slightly differ is that in the ridiculously unlike event that an Indian advance did manage to cut G219, the bulk of PLA counter-attacking efforts won’t be directed at the G219 breakpoint itself, but rather to focus on the route into China across the Himalayas.

China has a fondness of making dumplings, so if an invader actually crossed into Chinese territory, the focus of the PLA wouldn’t really be to push them back as much as to make sure as few of them can make it back as possible.
 

Bright Sword

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Do you think Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia will allow India to choke off their Straits?
No. On their own they certainly won't. The scenario we are looking at is if they are arm twisted into compliance by external pressure. The Soviet Western Cold War is a good example. Some countries like France didn't really want to antagonize the Soviet Union and even the then (West) Germany did not like nuclear weapons on its soil, and an apparatus for choking off the Soviet Union but that is what happened.
Global Imperialism needs proxies that can fulfill a role that brings dominance without risking a full fledged war. A good example is Israel, which dominates the Middle East and North Africa.
As part of the plan India has emerged as the "Israel" of South and South East Asia. The prime role is to contain choke and ultimately defeat China. Earlier Japan and South Korea had been chosen for this role but they are unwilling partners preferring the welfare of their population to hyper-nationalism and war. India's military capabilities are being enhanced ten fold. It has been gambled that India's burgeoning young population will make great military manpower. India's current hyper-nationalist, religious extremist environment has a popular sentiment that makes a war fighting scenario ( and the losses it entails) very acceptable. With poverty reduction and prosperity the populations of economically strong nations have little taste for war. No one wants to die for an abstract "cause" which is why Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines all have very reluctant support for any war, These nations have seen horrible conflicts in their times and suffered occupation and mass destruction.
India is a notable exception. There has been NO mass suffering because of war in India since the late 1700s. All conflicts in modern post-independence India have been brief, on the borders and the Indian population believes they have won all those conflicts ( yes, even the 1962 India China war). The population of India fed by its own media hype and political outfits are rearing to pitch headlong into a war, preferably with Pakistan first and then China. It is openly argued over the Indian media that to fight with China, first Pakistan must be destroyed, occupied and its population either expelled or converted to Hindu sub-caste.
This suits the Western powers as long as India takes on China after defeating Pakistan. A propaganda currently popular on Social Media states that the Pakistani nuclear and missile threat is a giant hoax. So Pakistan can be defeated and occupied. It is such delusions ( unfortunately even within the upper echelons of the military ) that errors happen and nations stumble into war.
 

lcloo

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Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia will likely stay neutral in a war between India and China, and they will keep the straits open even under heavy pressure form India.

Malacca Straits is an international water way that is very important to import and export of South East Asia countries. It is also very important to Japan and South Korea.
 

timepass

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Army Chief deputes Senior Officer to look into differences of opinion in South Western Command .....

Report by Indian Media "ANI" (Link of the original report is in comment section)

PSF's Analysis: In such time of crisis when Indian Military got beaten severely by Pakistan in 2019 during Pakistan-India stand-off 2019 & now China is humiliating India in Ladakh & Arunachal Pradesh. As of now China has captured 1000 sq km of Indian territory (Pangong TSO Area & DBO) (Excluding Aksai Chin which China already controls). China has killed more than 50+ Indian Military soldiers & has taken 100+ as captives during the clashes.

Meanwhile Indian Military leadership is busy in achieving personal goals. Moreover these skirmishes inside Indian Military leadership can be due to the pressure exerted by combined threat from China & Pakistan.

These fights for power inside Indian Military leadership will further cause immense damage to Indian military & damages will be unrecoverable.

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gelgoog

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India's military might is just too pathetic to be able to do the things a lot of people are claiming here. Their strategic weapons are a joke. They can't even target the whole of China which is literally next door, and they have no thermonuclear nukes. Their naval power is also lower than even middle Asian naval powers like Japan or South Korea IMHO. To be honest the difference in equipment is just huge. In a prolonged conflict India also has a much weaker economy. Their only hope is with a large coalition but even that is nonsense.
Inane dreams and delusions of an ideologically driven leadership.
 

silentlurker

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It's absurd that Brazil and Bulgaria are in front of China. I am very familiar with Brazil and just recently went to Bulgaria. Both countries are much poor than China and their food in terms of how expensive to locals are way less affordable comparing to China. People made up this list had no idea how people eat in China.
Not everyone lives in Shanghai you know..
 

ShariQ Ansari

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Recently there is this WION channel that keeps popping up on my youtube feed, the topics are mostly about China-bashing and chest-thumping of Indian victories in Ladakh. Anymore here come across that WION before?
It happens with me to, just click not interested and it should resolve it,.
 

siegecrossbow

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It costs the Indian Army Rs 5 crore a day to maintain a brigade of troops, over 3,000 soldiers, on the Siachen glacier. There are no estimates as to what the new LAC deployments will cost, but it will be substantial. This does not count the significant cost of the air bridge, the transport aircraft and helicopters that ferry supplies to its far-flung winter posts and the wear and tear on equipment and machinery. The Border Roads Organisation, the MoD’s military infrastructure-building agency, has been tasked with ensuring the Srinagar-Leh route stays open for as long as possible this year. This involves widening the existing road and procuring additional snow clearing equipment to clear the Zojila Pass leading into Leh.

To put things into perspective they are spending two F-35s worth of money a year in Siachen alone. Deployment at Ladakh will cut deeply into their defense spendings.
 

silentlurker

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About 200USD per soldier per day. Seems a little high considering that's just the material costs. Anyone have an estimate for Chinese costs for comparison?
 
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