Ladakh Flash Point

coolieno99 said:

Pavan Gupta
4 weeks ago (edited)
India never had a strategic vision and that is why we stumble from crisis to crises, since 1937. Liberation of tibet and Xinjiang is vital for India's survival. This may not happen in the next 10 years or even in 20 years but we must set a goal for our country to not just defend our territory but to ensure our water supplies.

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From an Indian perspective, this is perfectly reasonable, though.
China can basically thirst India to death, if it so desired. The PRC realized immense strategic long term vision right after its inception by re-acquiring Tibet and Xinjiang, like it is now with enforcing the Nine Dash Line in the SCS.

India lacks such vision, and the bits which are there (in the Indian Ocean for example) never really amount to anything because of a lack of focus by Indian policy.

Tianlong said:

From an Indian perspective, this is perfectly reasonable, though.
China can basically thirst India to death, if it so desired. The PRC realized immense strategic long term vision right after its inception by re-acquiring Tibet and Xinjiang, like it is now with enforcing the Nine Dash Line in the SCS.

India lacks such vision, and the bits which are there (in the Indian Ocean for example) never really amount to anything because of a lack of focus by Indian policy.

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Nope. Even though rivers started from within China, the bulk volume of waters are from rainfalls within India. Even without the source , India will still have these rivers with similar amount of water.

Figaro said:

Those were just 3 I found by typing in Chinese peacekeepers killed on Google. You probably could find all of them if you digged thoroughly enough. Regarding casualties, the Chinese have been pretty up to date announcing them in past wars. The one for 1979 was announced just 1 month and a half after the war itself.

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Maybe China is not announcing casualties because to them the "war with India" is not over yet. But whatever the reasons for China hiding it casualties, only history will judge it in the future. In the big picture, the Chinese govt is caught up in a difficult PR situation. They could:

1) Not announce casualties. And face the expected criticism of not honoring war their war dead and "saving face". It could also stoke up some anger from the Chinese public for not honoring a Chinese soldier's sacrifice for the nation. But the majority of the Chinese public and outside spectators like us are just going to continue guessing and speculating. So there would be debates, but no firm conclusion on Chinese casualties.

2) Announce the casualties. Even though the no. of Chinese casualties is small vs Indian casualties. Maybe many of us would feel 'avenged', but there would still be intense hatred for India for inflicting the first PLA non-peacetime death in decades. The Chinese public would be enraged by this Indian "back-stab" during a worldwide US-led anti-China hysteria. There would certainly be anti-Indian street protests, not unlike the anti-Japan one that happened thanks to the dispute at Diaoyu island. There would be strong public pressure on the CPC to take strong action on India, maybe even war.

Personally, I don't think hiding the casualty figures in the Galwan clash is the morally right thing to do. But looking at the big picture, its quite complicated to say that this is right or wrong. The CPC clearly does not want to add "India" on its already full plate of problems. Taiwan, HK, SCS, US tradewar, EU & ANZ stupidity, Covid-19 are still regarded by the CPC as the their biggest challenges.

But things have changed. India have now gotten themselves onto the center of the anti-China wave. All the great effort by the CPC to keep relations with India from deteriorating further have failed miserably. This is not the CPC's fault, but the fault of a beligerent BJP-led India. The BJP leaders of India have fully prostituted their once promising nation to the imperialist USA. I think the CPC is finally realizing this, and the language have finally heated up. But still, no official announcements of casualties yet. I'm just speculating that they could be letting it out quietly via Mr Hu Xijin, and then officially announce it when all the 'heat' has died down, or if a full-blown war occurs.

Looks like the PLA is getting more serious ... time to show who's really the boss of Pangong

China Strengthens Inland Navy On Indian Border
The Chinese garrison on Pangong Lake, which straddles the India-China border, has been reinforced with new assault boats. At least six are now present on the lake, allowing for a mobile assault force of at least 60 troops.
18 Sep 2020

They are stationed near to the contested line of actual control. The border region has been the scene of heightened tensions between the two countries including several clashes.

The Type-928D assault boats are generally similar to the Swedish CB-90. They represent a significant increase in capability for Chinese forces on the mountain lakes along the contested border. The type was first deployed to the lake in October 2019. Based on satellite imagery analysis they began appearing at the western end, nearer the defacto border .


The Type-928D is manufactured by Changzhou FRP Shipyard Co Ltd.in Changzhou, Jiangsu, China which specializes in GRP (glass reinforced plastic) boats. The yard appears to be constructing large numbers of various riverine craft for the Chinese armed forces.

The Type-928D is 13.8m (45 ft) long and has a beam of 3.9m (13 ft). Its three 295 hp motors give it a top speed of 38.9 knots. In the assault role it can carry up to 11 troops. They are primarily armed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun mounted in a remote weapons station (RWS) above the cabin offering a wide arc of fire. Two crew-served machine guns can be mounted on the aft deck.

the biggest beneficiary of China-US rivalry may be India. the indians should sit on the fence (comfortably) to see how things work out. I guess the indians don't want to miss the big show, they jump into the game.

LesAdieux said:

the biggest beneficiary of China-US rivalry may be India. the indians should sit on the fence (comfortably) to see how things work out. I guess the indians don't want to miss the big show, they jump into the game.

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You mean the rivalry between India and US, the two greatest superpowers? /s

Apparently they really played tunak tunak tun to Indian soldiers at Pangon Lake lol.

hijiki said:

In the short term, yeah worse, but in the long term might have been better, Taiwan being handed over to Chinag Kai-shek set the curse of the "One China policy" problem upon it. If the US had occupied it, it could have gone either straight to independent country or returned back to Japan like with the Ryukyu islands and Bonin islands.

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Figaro said:

Looks like the PLA is getting more serious ... time to show who's really the boss of Pangong

China Strengthens Inland Navy On Indian Border
The Chinese garrison on Pangong Lake, which straddles the India-China border, has been reinforced with new assault boats. At least six are now present on the lake, allowing for a mobile assault force of at least 60 troops.

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18 Sep 2020

They are stationed near to the contested line of actual control. The border region has been the scene of heightened tensions between the two countries including several clashes.

The Type-928D assault boats are generally similar to the Swedish CB-90. They represent a significant increase in capability for Chinese forces on the mountain lakes along the contested border. The type was first deployed to the lake in October 2019. Based on satellite imagery analysis they began appearing at the western end, nearer the defacto border

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1284794073325244420

The Type-928D is manufactured by Changzhou FRP Shipyard Co Ltd.in Changzhou, Jiangsu, China which specializes in GRP (glass reinforced plastic) boats. The yard appears to be constructing large numbers of various riverine craft for the Chinese armed forces.

The Type-928D is 13.8m (45 ft) long and has a beam of 3.9m (13 ft). Its three 295 hp motors give it a top speed of 38.9 knots. In the assault role it can carry up to 11 troops. They are primarily armed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun mounted in a remote weapons station (RWS) above the cabin offering a wide arc of fire. Two crew-served machine guns can be mounted on the aft deck.

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I thought that lake is going to freeze on winter. what are they going to do with the boats in ice?

coolieno99 said:

Right on. Not only the deads should be honor, but all those PLAs involved in that fight should receive a medal for killing 20 of the enemies.

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." - Gen. George S. Patton

Once in awhile, an Indian would revealed his true feelings about the whole matter. This comment was retrieved from YouTube. Now we know what is their true objective.

Pavan Gupta
4 weeks ago (edited)
India never had a strategic vision and that is why we stumble from crisis to crises, since 1937. Liberation of tibet and Xinjiang is vital for India's survival. This may not happen in the next 10 years or even in 20 years but we must set a goal for our country to not just defend our territory but to ensure our water supplies.

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Yes China control of Tibet is a strategic threat to Indian water supply, especially in the next few decades as global warming heats up.

The ultimate dream of India is to have an independent Tibet under Indian control.

Bringing up Tibet is just trolling from Indians big mouths. Don't take it seriously.

It's no difference than Korean ultranationalist bringing up Manchuria irredentist claims, it's a pipedream and fantasy from losers.