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Yes China control of Tibet is a strategic threat to Indian water supply, especially in the next few decades as global warming heats up.

The ultimate dream of India is to have an independent Tibet under Indian control.
What do you mean by "china Control of tibet"? Tibet is a part of china there is no need to control it. Would you say the same thing about the erstwhile confederate States of America? Does Washington controls texas? No right?
 

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What do you mean by "china Control of tibet"? Tibet is a part of china there is no need to control it. Would you say the same thing about the erstwhile confederate States of America? Does Washington controls texas? No right?

Semantics. But in international relations, national sovereignty actually means full control by a government within the state borders. So yes, the PRC controls Tibet, the US controls Texas, Germany controls Bavaria, Japan controls Tokyo etc.
 

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Yes China control of Tibet is a strategic threat to Indian water supply, especially in the next few decades as global warming heats up.

The ultimate dream of India is to have an independent Tibet under Indian control.

This is another lie that the media tells about China in order to drum up the "China threat" narrative. China poses ZERO threat to India's water supply and here's why.

First, it's literally technologically impossible to "cut off" India's water supply by blocking off upstream water flow in tibet. This is because the Tibetan upstream actually contributes a minuscule amount of water to the Indo-Gangetic plains. All rivers gets most of their water from rain collected in the river's basins and tributaries, not from upstream. In the case for India, warm air from the Indian ocean is trapped by the Himalayan mountains, which then cools and precipitates into the Ganga-Satluj Ka Maidaan, forming major rivers like the Indus, Ganges, and Brahmaputra which then drains back into the ocean. To threaten India's great river systems would literally require magic that stops all rain fall in the region or cause water to climb against gravity up the mountain and drain into Tibetan plateau.

Second, even if such magic exists, China doesn't have any intention of cutting off water supply to any of its neighboring countries because it brings no benefits. Keeping the diplomatic fallout of such actions aside, China is already dealing with floods in the southern regions, why would China want to bring more water there lol.

Finally, what makes you think an independent Tibet is easily controlled by India? I would say it's likely for an independent Tibet to seek some form of strategic balance to India's powerful military and nuclear arsenal. Maybe they get their own nuclear weapons, and become friends with Pakistan or become more like India's North Korea. The area becoming destabilized is surely bad for India, while the major arms dealers profit.

Conclusion: think for yourself. Reject the media narrative.
 

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Yes China control of Tibet is a strategic threat to Indian water supply, especially in the next few decades as global warming heats up.

The ultimate dream of India is to have an independent Tibet under Indian control.
Forget Xinjiang or Tibet, India taking militarily Aksai Chin is less likely than China taking everything north of Mumbai (i.e. above the below line). In a war with China, the Indians will most likely lose all of NE India via the capture of Siliguri Corridor and much of northern India, including New Delhi. Even in 1962, the Indians were so panicked of a potential Chinese capture of Delhi that they began withdrawing government offices. I have no doubt any future PLA contingency in the Western sector will have the capture of New Delhi as the primary objective and maybe even a drive further southwards should India not agree to Chinese terms.
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siegecrossbow

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That reportedly also picked up by India's media...

Well, if only they know that song's known Chinese version...I just drop the keyword "我在東北玩泥巴" for anyone curious to search...

Technically Pangong Lake is on the North Eastern corner of India so the Chinese version of lyrics applies to the Indians as well.
 

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These last few pages were not exactly palatable for me.The fascination with the numbers of soldiers killed and "honoring" them has to be put into perspective.

How many Chinese do really care about them? How many Indians do really care? How many Americans do?

It is my understanding that there'll always be a majority (75% above, maybe more) who says they respect the soldier who fights for their country. That assumption is as easy as assuming that "most people like to drink Fresh water" .
While on the other hand there will only be a very small minority (less than 0.0075%? ) who'd actually care about the individual that made the soldier. The human he was. The member of the family he has been.

His loss is, ultimately, the private loss of his family and friends. No one else's .
No one else is going to weep for him a week after.

Who here actually remembers the names of the young men who sacrificed their lives for the country? I am genuinely curious. Can you, let it be whatever country you hail from, say for sure that a majority of your countrymen 'respect' and 'venerate' the absolute normal martyr or soldier?

The soldier is a living weapon. A tool. A mere number In the hands of tactician.

It's my humble opinion that we move away from the number counting. Count the inches of territory.

And one more thing -
The fact is - China has always been alone. No one stands with her. And that's good for me. There's a certain glamor to that.
 

Bright Sword

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Agreed. In a war there are millions of soldiers who are killed and the vast majority remain nameless, and the intensity of their loss is felt most by their families, in a personal sense. But for the nation, even if those who died remain nameless or forgotten as persons or individuals their valor and supreme sacrifice are never forgotten.
Lets take the case of the Battle of Ludling Bridge or "The Bridge of Chains" ( 1935). There were 6 PLA soldiers killed taking that bridge and they were all volunteers in a squad who knew they were going to die as they clung to the chains and made it to destroy the block houses. By their valor they saved hundreds of lives while taking an important objective. Today they are forgotten by name but their memories endure by the name of battle "The Ludling Six ". There was no luxury of media glory then and not even time and place for a burial with any honors. Some fell into the waters of the gorge, and were swept away forever. But it is inspiration of their sacrifice that lives on which motivates others to live up to their standards.
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Temstar

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Agreed. In a war there are millions of soldiers who are killed and the vast majority remain nameless, and the intensity of their loss is felt most by their families, in a personal sense. But for the nation, even if those who died remain nameless or forgotten as persons or individuals their valor and supreme sacrifice are never forgotten.
Lets take the case of the Battle of Ludling Bridge or "The Bridge of Chains" ( 1935). There were 6 PLA soldiers killed taking that bridge and they were all volunteers in a squad who knew they were going to die as they clung to the chains and made it to destroy the block houses. By their valor they saved hundreds of lives while taking an important objective. Today they are forgotten by name but their memories endure by the name of battle "The Ludling Six ". There was no luxury of media glory then and not even time and place for a burial with any honors. Some fell into the waters of the gorge, and were swept away forever. But it is inspiration of their sacrifice that lives on which motivates others to live up to their standards.
Those 22 are now immortalised, their story is part of the curriculum for Chinese students. In reality it was a fairly easy operation and the opposition they met were not that intense.

I'm sure at some point in the future the story at Ladakh would be similarly immortalised, doubly so if China becomes the world hegemon and 2020 is remembered as a dramatic year.

People have already given the event a dramatic name: "狼牙棒之夜" or "Night of the Spiked Bat"
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