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I understand but the Chinese must also look at the actions of the other side. If India did not announce or recognize its dead, perhaps China should not have done so either. But since India did this and China did not, now India has another PR card up their sleeves in the form of the Chinese are hiding their casualty count, which is technically true. Why do PLA soldiers who get killed in accidents get recognized but those killed by enemy action do not? Of course you serve the country, not for recognition, but when other soldiers die under different circumstances (e.g. plane crash), they get recognized by state media while if you die fighting India, you do not. This makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

If you haven't read enough Western or Indian media yet, they ALWAYS spin it negatively against China, period. They don't give China a benefit of a doubt EVER, look how they reported on Wuhan lockdowns at the early days. Even Indian medias are saying China was violating human rights with lockdowns, and how many lives has China saved with it?
 
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I understand but the Chinese must also look at the actions of the other side. If India did not announce or recognize its dead, perhaps China should not have done so either. But since India did this and China did not, now India has another PR card up their sleeves in the form of the Chinese are hiding their casualty count, which is technically true. Why do PLA soldiers who get killed in accidents get recognized but those killed by enemy action do not? Of course you serve the country, not for recognition, but when other soldiers die under different circumstances (e.g. plane crash), they get recognized by state media while if you die fighting India, you do not. This makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
Indian soldiers die everyday at LOC and we hear about these deaths only rarely. How is this different?
 

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When was the last time you saw public announcements of Chinese peacekeeping force casualties?
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You are being incredibly naive if you think China officially announcing casualty figures would shut the Indians up. If official Chinese figures are not to their liking, the first thing they will do is say those numbers are fake with exactly the same ‘China hiding true casualty figures’ fake news BS being pumped out on an industrial scale.

Besides, PR victory is like the BS participation trophy. People who won the race doesn’t care about that silly consolation prize.

And not even the Western MSM is repeating Indian BS lies as they are obviously just that, lies. So what exactly have the Indians ‘win’ really?!
No I am not saying it would shut the Indians up but at least it would prevent their narrative that the Chinese are hiding their casualties, which is true when contrasted to their public listings. Had the Chinese actually provided the casualty figures, the Indians would try to say those numbers are fake, but it would be a lot weaker argument than saying the Chinese are hiding their casualty figures. Ultimately why do PLA soldiers who died in training accidents get recognized while those who die against some foreign trespassers do not? This really clouds the victory since even if only one Chinese soldier died and upwards of 50 Indian soldiers died, then that one Chinese soldier would not receive the recognition he deserves. As hollow as they are, PR victories are still important nonetheless. Besides, the Chinese gov also risks domestic indignation of them not announcing these casualties ... and they very well deserve this should whatever Hu Xijin say to be true. It can only be said that the Chinese gov's terrible PR casts a shadow on the otherwise brilliantly executed PLA operations to take 1000 square kilometers of strategically important territory previously occupied by India.
Indian soldiers die everyday at LOC and we hear about these deaths only rarely. How is this different?
But they announce it ... it's a completely different matter no one cares about their deaths but hey at least they announce it. Besides, it is not against the PLA to announce casualty numbers. In the 1979 war, they announced their casualty figures very shortly after its conclusion. The real question though is what does the Chinese government gain by not announcing these figures ... had they said 1 or 2 soldiers fought to the death against an coordinated Indian ambush, as Hu Xijin suggested, then the Indian narrative would be considerably weakened. But now here we are with the Indians acting like the victim because indeed in the PLA counterattack, they got butchered like rabbits.
 
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No I am not saying it would shut the Indians up but at least it would prevent their narrative that the Chinese are hiding their casualties, which is true when contrasted to their public listings. Had the Chinese actually provided the casualty figures, the Indians would try to say those numbers are fake, but it would be a lot weaker argument than saying the Chinese are hiding their casualty figures. Ultimately why do PLA soldiers who died in training accidents get recognized while those who die against some foreign trespassers do not? This really clouds the victory since even if only one Chinese soldier died and upwards of 50 Indian soldiers died, then that one Chinese soldier would not receive the recognition he deserves.

But they announce it ... it's a completely different matter no one cares about their deaths but hey at least they announce it. Besides, it is not against the PLA to announce casualty numbers. In the 1979 war, they announced their casualty figures very shortly after its conclusion.
Because the conversation from the MSM and Indian media particularly won't change their anti China narrative. It doesn't matter what China "announced" they will spin it anyway they can. So why give them any more ammunition to defame China? There wasn't any fake news online opportunity like back in 1979. Any dead PLA KIA will always be honored even if it was shrouded in secrecy.
 

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Because the conversation from the MSM and Indian media particularly won't change their anti China narrative. It doesn't matter what China "announced" they will spin it anyway they can. So why give them any more ammunition to defame China? There wasn't any fake news online opportunity like back in 1979. Any dead PLA KIA will always be honored even if it was shrouded in secrecy.
But is publicly recognizing martyrs just aimed at MSM and India though? The citizens of the PRC should know the names of the people who sacrificed their lives to go up against India, but instead are only kept in the shadows. Ordinary PLA soldiers defending the border should not be treated as some kind of special undercover operatives maintaining total opsec. If China did not release casualties for those people, it would make a lot more sense. Ultimately, soldiers killed in the line of action, especially against a nuisance like India, should garner the equal recognition as those killed in overseas UN operations or in training accidents domestically. Why is that so hard for the Chinese gov to do is my question? Do they think India will back off by not disclosing the figures ... if so I really question the soundness of Xi Jinping, who no doubt was the guy who made this decision.

Of course, then again Hu Xijin could be wrong but everything I wrote is under the assumption he is correct, which is somewhat likely at this point.
 

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But is publicly recognizing martyrs just aimed at MSM and India though? The citizens of the PRC should know the names of the people who sacrificed their lives to go up against India, but instead are only kept in the shadows. Ordinary PLA soldiers defending the border should not be treated as some kind of special undercover operatives maintaining total opsec. If China did not release casualties for those people, it would make a lot more sense. Ultimately, soldiers killed in the line of action, especially against a nuisance like India, should garner the equal recognition as those killed in overseas UN operations or in training accidents domestically.
The citizens of the PRC do appreciate and recognize those fallen PLA troops for their valor and contribution. They don't need to announce it because the Chinese are not gullible emotional idiots. The Indians could have also kept their casualties quiet as well, but since they lost the fight so badly that's why they "announced" it to play the victims card and save face for the politicians.
 

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Yeah, now take a look here:

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China has suffered 20 fatalities as of 2020.

Can you name any of those 20 soldiers?

Fact is, China does not have a tradition of publicly announcing military casualties.
Those were just 3 I found by typing in Chinese peacekeepers killed on Google. You probably could find all of them if you digged thoroughly enough. Regarding casualties, the Chinese have been pretty up to date announcing them in past wars. The one for 1979 was announced just 1 month and a half after the war itself.

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But is publicly recognizing martyrs just aimed at MSM and India though? The citizens of the PRC should know the names of the people who sacrificed their lives to go up against India, but instead are only kept in the shadows. Ordinary PLA soldiers defending the border should not be treated as some kind of special undercover operatives maintaining total opsec. If China did not release casualties for those people, it would make a lot more sense. Ultimately, soldiers killed in the line of action, especially against a nuisance like India, should garner the equal recognition as those killed in overseas UN operations or in training accidents domestically. Why is that so hard for the Chinese gov to do is my question? Do they think India will back off by not disclosing the figures ... if so I really question the soundness of Xi Jinping, who no doubt was the guy who made this decision.

Of course, then again Hu Xijin could be wrong but everything I wrote is under the assumption he is correct, which is somewhat likely at this point.

China's goal is to not provoke a war with India, which would be devastating not only in terms of human toll, but will impact China's grand strategy affecting billions of lives.
 
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