Ladakh Flash Point

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PiSigma

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That area involved in the conflict was mostly in Bihar and parts of Nepal, not "half of India." The conflict happenned after the collapse of the larger Vardhana dynasty following Harshavardhana's death.
Nope. He borrowed troops from Nepal, since Nepal is a Tang vassal state, and took over Vardhana. Since Vardhana is half of northern India and certainly the most powerful state in northern India at the time, Wang took over half of India with 2000 mercenaries essentially.
 

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Nope. He borrowed troops from Nepal, since Nepal is a Tang vassal state, and took over Vardhana. Since Vardhana is half of northern India and certainly the most powerful state in northern India at the time, Wang took over half of India with 2000 mercenaries essentially.
Historically, the Southern part of Nepal, called the Terrai region, was part of Kingdoms from Bihar.

The Vardhana dynasty had mostly collapsed following Harshavardhan's death. Wang went to war with the usurper Arunasva, who was the chieftain of Tirhut, which encompasses Bihar and parts of modern Nepal
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TBH, I think outsiders might want to lock you guys in a cage with the Bhakts and see who wins in a deathmatch. SDF, being English-language, does not represent the majority of Chinese opinion and I'll point out that the Chinese Red Cross sent a care package of oxygen concentrators to India during the Indian COVID-19 flare-up. The Indonats, likewise, are usually just a high-caste middle-class minority that not only annoys Westerners, but also liberal Indians.
 

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TBH, I think outsiders might want to lock you guys in a cage with the Bhakts and see who wins in a deathmatch. SDF, being English-language, does not represent the majority of Chinese opinion and I'll point out that the Chinese Red Cross sent a care package of oxygen concentrators to India during the Indian COVID-19 flare-up. The Indonats, likewise, are usually just a high-caste middle-class minority that not only annoys Westerners, but also liberal Indians.

Same oxygen concentrators they are using for IA troops in Ladakh? Maybe China should work on an entity list too. Maybe put self-destruct circuits that would short the device out of it comes within 5KM of the Indo-Chinese border.

Also, please don’t lump us with the Bhakts. To the best of my knowledge no one here has called for extermination of Indian race or have called them the Indian equivalent of “cockroach eaters” or “bat soup drinkers”, not have we expressed glee when major natural disasters or COVID second wave hit their country. In fact, we even briefly had a donation thread and got called femboys for our trouble.
 
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Also, please don’t lump us with the Bhakts. To the best of my knowledge no one here has called for extermination of Indian race or have called them the Indian equivalent of “cockroach eaters” or “bat soup drinkers”, not have we expressed bleed when major natural disasters or COVID second wave hit their country. In fact, we even briefly had a donation thread and got called femboys for our trouble.
The donation thread was mine and your colleague shut it down.

And to the best of my knowledge the oxygen concentrators weren't routed to InA assets. If the InA got oxygen concentrators from China, they most likely paid for it, since China controls a vast sum of the oxygen concentrator market. I suppose your point (in that thread) was to show that the Chinese weren't as bad as the "Indians", and the Chinese aren't as bad as the Indians. That's absolutely true if we're not talking about ultranationalists and hawks.

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My line is, if we have to have border skirmishes with soldiers on one side, or soldiers on both sides, dying, that's fine. It's also fine if the CMC brass decides a preemptive strike on India is appropriate to deal with Quad encirclement. Even a nuclear exchange with tens of millions of Chinese and Indians dying is fine. That's duty, that's what the Indians would call Dharma.

However, killing or causing the death of people beyond duty is not fine. Needless and avoidable deaths are not fine. And a general lack of civility, even when the other side (Indian nationalists) are being obnoxious is not fine either.

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Even if we think about it in terms of duty, India is more useful to China as an ally or at least neutral than as a part of the Quad chain. As others have commented, a solid Sino-Indian alliance is basically game-over for the West and other imperialist powers, because China and India together control around 33% of the world population and are potentially the dominant economic bloc in the world.

The only problem is, the Indian political class seems to have its head screwed on backwards and somehow thinks their traditionally horrid governance (Bhakts: see COVID) can allow them to successfully contest China, when the advent of H-20s will mean that India cannot even form a cost-effective speed-bump vs China.

One has to think about Churchill's line about the Americans doing the right thing after they've exhausted all other alternatives. The Indians, we are sure, will eventually do the right thing, but not before blundering around aimlessly for at least a couple of years, perhaps a couple of decades.
 
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PiSigma

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Historically, the Southern part of Nepal, called the Terrai region, was part of Kingdoms from Bihar.

The Vardhana dynasty had mostly collapsed following Harshavardhan's death. Wang went to war with the usurper Arunasva, who was the chieftain of Tirhut, which encompasses Bihar and parts of modern Nepal
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So what? If someone declared war on the failed state that is India today and only fought troops in Delhi does that mean India no longer recognize the other areas as India? I'm glad u think that way, we should all immediately recognize the true independence of the NE states, Sikkim, Goa, the south, Kashmir, etc.
 
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