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tallgamer

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That's why the visit was under wraps knowing very well how many CIA and Indian proxies in the region want him dead. Too bad for you lot China is smart.

Indians talking abou referendum how ironic. India doesn't have the balls to conduct a UN mandated referendum in Kashmir knowing very well what the result will be. Indians are probably the last ppl on earth that should be recommending a referendum to anyone.
Typical whataboutism in a Indo Tibetan border thread.
And i am to believe the Chinese here that Tibet is so peaceful that the premiers visit has to be kept under wraps ?
 

twineedle

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Typical whataboutism in a Indo Tibetan border thread.
And i am to believe the Chinese here that Tibet is so peaceful that the premiers visit has to be kept under wraps ?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean well, but these kinds of posts won't be taken very positively. If you wish to participate in this thread, I would reccommend simply posting relavent news.
 

manqiangrexue

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Typical whataboutism in a Indo Tibetan border thread.
And i am to believe the Chinese here that Tibet is so peaceful that the premiers visit has to be kept under wraps ?
What's this you're talking about? The Chinese premier didn't tell everyone where he was going in a timely manner? LOL What's with the microscope? You have India: aircraft carrier on fire, submarine underwater with the hatch open, Mars lander upside down, shoots down its own chopper by mistake, soldiers running to thier deaths in frozen steams the second a fight starts, farmer protests paralyzing the capital, economy in recession, so many COVID deaths they broke the numbering system with corpses being BBQd in piles on the street and you're worried about why the Chinese premier's itinerary wasn't updated to the public in realtime?
 
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ansy1968

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean well, but these kinds of posts won't be taken very positively. If you wish to participate in this thread, I would reccommend simply posting relavent news.
@twineedle bro I agree with you, we like a discussion were our point of debate is on issue, not of chauvinist and chest beating argument. India had a lot of problem so is China, this border dispute is a lose lose on both side but more for India cause Its holding a weaker hand. China had gone thru the same issue of misplaced nationalism, it always happen when your nation is weak, China for her part channel those frustration into positive action like nation building and development( from hard experience like the cultural revolution, 1989 Tian An Mien etc). I hope Indians also find its true calling, we all want what is best for our country but changes needed to happen in us ,to reflect before embarking on such mission.
 

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I do have a takeaway from Xi's Tibet visit and its quite interesting.
Free Tibet seem to have been as taken by surprise by it as anyone else.
Given that such a visit could never be secret, simply not publicised and with no shortage of civilian and military officials being aware and coordinating arrangements, it simply shows that Free Tibet is no longer in any significant loop.
Could they have been aware and chosen not to reveal their hand? possibly but I think such a visit would have been too important for them to ignore. It would have been a major coup for them to have arranged protests and disobedience to embarrass the Chinese leadership during a "secret" visit. It would give them publicity and credibility that they desperately need right now to try and continue to appear relevant in any way.

Their failure to do so, simply indicates that they had no insider knowledge being fed back to them and/or no longer any devotees in China prepared to undertake any such activities.
 

Inst

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You write all that to delude yourself into thinking Tibetans want to be Indians? LOL

Tibetans aren't Indian, they don't look Indiani. They get called "Chink" while they are in India. Not just the Tibetan refugees, South Tibetans as well. Despite being second class refugees I'm sure the literacy levels of Tibetan refugees are much higher than the average Indian.

When China reclaims South Tibet and Ladakh maybe an amnesty will be organised to allow non violent Tibetans to settle in either of these regions.

Dude, I've known you for long enough to know that you don't actually want to discuss anything. You bait people with the pretense of discussion, only to begin lecturing on topics you have only a superficial understanding of. Like the time you wrote an entire essay about how fighter aircraft 'dodge' Fox 3s by pulling high Gs, like in the movies. Remember that one, Maverick?

Do you actually think I'm going to engage in a theological debate with you, while you comically try to lecture me on MY religion, because you read a book on Islam once? That would be like me reading a book on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and then lecturing you on your life (and I'd still do a better job of it than you, e.g. try not to copy/paste from blogs and wikipedia, especially with their "citation needed" warnings.)

So move along professor, before you hurt yourself.
To the first comment, yes, I'm actually familiar with people in the Indian security forces who, because of their Northeastern descent (there's an active insurgency among racially Mongoloid people in the Indian Northeast) actively want China to go invade and occupy their homeland just to get rid of the Indians.

On the other hand, so what? If you're talking about dissident types, these people are often ignorant about their own country.

@Mohsin77

And? Fox 3 gets dodged because an aircraft pulls high Gs to evade a seeker (at short range) or because the seeker has become energy drained. It's not a preferred tactic because instantaneous turns (which is what modern 5th gen BVR fighters are often built for) bleed energy, but it's a useful last ditch effort to get away from a long-range missile or to reduce their effective range.

As for Islam, I've met Indians who are misinformed about the practice of eating beef in Kerala. There, Hindus and Muslims alike unify around "Kerala Beef Fry", which is a dish of beef. They claim that Hindus don't actually eat beef in Kerala and that it's mainly Muslims and minorities who do.

But that actually goes into Hinduism as Orthopraxic. The Orthopraxic / Orthodoxic division, when it comes to a religion, is a question of whether the religion defines itself more by belief or actions. For orthodox / orthopraxic Hindus, the act of eating beef is simply not what Hindus do, so either Kerala Hindus do not eat beef, or Kerala Hindus who eat beef are not Hindu.

The same applies to Islam; i.e, Christianity in modern practice (as opposed to Catholicisms) is defined by "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior". The level of Christian observance is and has always been incredibly variable (think the Gandhi quote about liking Christianity but not Christians), but it doesn't necessarily mean they're no longer Christians; the definition is based on belief, and in certain Christian sects not being a good Christian doesn't mean you're not Christian; it just means you're not going to be saved. Islam, on the other hand, has a stricter set of practices that define whether you are a Muslim, lapsed, or an apostate beyond the Shahada.

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I'm curious, are you being offended because I'm saying that Hinduism, like Islam, is orthopraxic? What if I simply used the term "lifestyle"?

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That said, if you actually want to discuss it, we can do so in PMs. I do have a copy of the Holy Qur'an and if you want to argue that Islam is more orthodoxic than orthopraxic, please do so here. I'm just bringing up the point that Tibetans, given their traditional spirituality, are potentially closer to Indian culture than Chinese culture. The Chinese are traditionally Confucians / Neo-Confucians, which implies secularism ("the reason Confucius refused to speak of ghosts and spirits is because they don't exist" / "According to Xunzi, if we perform the funereal rites fully believing that the spirits will take up our offerings, we are vulgar and foolish. But if we do not perform them at all, we are animals rejecting our human grief. Therefore our sacrifices, carried sincerely, but knowing of their futility, allow us to both retain human intellect and human emotion.")

It's an important fact to point out that Chinese atheism is not a Communist imposition, but rather something that has deep veins in the culture and that's an important cultural understanding both in terms of ignorant Western stereotypes and in terms of major cultural differences between the Chinese, Tibetans, Indians, and the Islamic world. Between the Chinese, Tibetans, and Indians, this has been a cause of tension. Strangely enough, China generally has good relations with the Islamic world, probably because the Ummah / various Ummahs have bigger fish to fry than Chinese irreligiosity and the Chinese don't messian-ize Marxist-Leninist atheism in Islamic countries.
 

Richard Santos

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I do have a takeaway from Xi's Tibet visit and its quite interesting.
Free Tibet seem to have been as taken by surprise by it as anyone else.
Given that such a visit could never be secret, simply not publicised and with no shortage of civilian and military officials being aware and coordinating arrangements, it simply shows that Free Tibet is no longer in any significant loop.
Could they have been aware and chosen not to reveal their hand? possibly but I think such a visit would have been too important for them to ignore. It would have been a major coup for them to have arranged protests and disobedience to embarrass the Chinese leadership during a "secret" visit. It would give them publicity and credibility that they desperately need right now to try and continue to appear relevant in any way.

Their failure to do so, simply indicates that they had no insider knowledge being fed back to them and/or no longer any devotees in China prepared to undertake any such activities.

The suggestion that Free Tibet’s influence must be on the wane because it was not privy to secrets a highly authoritarian surveillance state undoubtedly considers high on national and domestic security priority list is interesting, It suggest a belief on the part of the person making the suggestion that anyone with any influence ought to be privy to any secret, which in turn suggest an attitude that regards treasonous corruption in the institutions of power as endemic and the normal way things are.
 

W20

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"Chinese atheism"

well, it can be seen just the other way around, Chinese philosophy claims heavens above the heads of men

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we could say that they are believers without having to drag the load of tribal fantasies
 
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