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Kaine

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A big difference between India and China, though, is the level of religiosity.

Studying India, it's shocking to discover that Hinduism isn't all that different from Islam in being orthopraxic (acting Hindu makes you Hindu), and that religion to Indians is a key part of social life.

Traditional Tibet, mind you, was a theocracy. So having a strong religious proclivity means that Tibet is likely to tilt toward India on a cultural basis. This is something that can be remedied by education, but if the traditional culture is religious, it will be hard to get Tibetans to shift their mindset fully.
Even if China itself did nothing else but just provide good education to Tibetans, the religion issue would be resolved by itself in 1-2 generations.

There is a scientific proof that the higher level of education a person has, the lower he/she believes in any kind of religion.

Now that China in addition to education, also provides infrastructure improvements, well-paid jobs, making travel to/from rest of China cheaper allowing more people to travel, this process of reducing religion is in full swing.

India can scream and shout all it wants about the next "reincarnation" but in 10-20 years this will gradually become meaningless. Yes it will take time, but the trajectory is clear for everyone to see.

So, India and the US only have about 20 years to "try" and use the Tibet card.
After that... poof! It will be gone forever
 

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Even if China itself did nothing else but just provide good education to Tibetans, the religion issue would be resolved by itself in 1-2 generations.

There is a scientific proof that the higher level of education a person has, the lower he/she believes in any kind of religion.

Now that China in addition to education, also provides infrastructure improvements, well-paid jobs, making travel to/from rest of China cheaper allowing more people to travel, this process of reducing religion is in full swing.

India can scream and shout all it wants about the next "reincarnation" but in 10-20 years this will gradually become meaningless. Yes it will take time, but the trajectory is clear for everyone to see.

So, India and the US only have about 20 years to "try" and use the Tibet card.
After that... poof! It will be gone forever

Just education isn’t enough. They need to provide opportunities for ethnic Tibetans to travel to other parts of China to either find job opportunities or bolster ties with local Tibetan businesses. Just dumping money doesn’t solve all the problems.
 

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Just education isn’t enough. They need to provide opportunities for ethnic Tibetans to travel to other parts of China to either find job opportunities or bolster ties with local Tibetan businesses. Just dumping money doesn’t solve all the problems.
Based on the recruitment programs that we have seen in other Provinces to recruit members of other minority communities, I would be extremely surprised if these programs were not also active in Tibet
Personally, I am just waiting to learn shocking news about the Tibetan Cotton Industry....
 

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You have a very bad history of making ridiculous assumptions while pretending to be an expert on a subject.

This is yet another example of this.

In the end, orthopraxy is crucial to the understanding of Hinduism not because Hinduism entails no particular beliefs or because it makes no claims for orthodoxy; different traditions do espouse particular beliefs, and many will not hesitate to claim orthodoxy for those beliefs. Rather, orthopraxy is important for Hinduism because the commonality of practices among Hindus far exceeds the commonality of beliefs. Indeed, it is not merely religious scholars but also Hindus themselves who define Hindu identity in terms of practices more than beliefs. This emphasis on practice rather than belief runs counter to the typical Western model of religions, but it is an emphasis that proves characteristic not only of Hinduism but also of Asian religious and social traditions generally.

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Islam generally stresses orthopraxy over orthodoxy. This can be seen in the fact that the account to be rendered on the day of judgement (yaum al-Din) is one of works.
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However, since the practice is held to come from doctrine, this is essentially orthodoxy applied to practice.[
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My books on Islam, beyond getting me to dislike the religion (they're written by an observant Muslim), also describe Islam as an Orthopraxic religion.

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The point regarding China vs India is that China is an intensely secular society; the society does not require religion as a way to worship itself (Durkheim's definition), it just goes straight to worshipping itself. There are, of course, religious outcroppings, but ethics are determined by tradition and custom, not because of what is said in a holy book as in some other cultures.

I don't think China is that much of a problem for Pakistanis; I'm told Muslims like atheists better than idolaters, with the joke being that the only difference in faith is that Muslims append "but Allah" to "there is no God", so atheists are closer to Muslims than worshippers of non-Abrahamic religions.

The fact that India is religious, while China is secular, means that culturally speaking, despite sharing Buddhism and a racial group with the Chinese, the Tibetans are more likely to lean toward Indian culture than Chinese culture.
 

Kaine

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I'm told Muslims like atheists better than idolaters, with the joke being that the only difference in faith is that Muslims append "but Allah" to "there is no God", so atheists are closer to Muslims than worshippers of non-Abrahamic religions.
I would disagree on that.

Based on my own personal experience, Muslims who I have met and talked to, about 10 in number, on the issue of religion they were more against atheists than other religions.

They explained to me that while other religions believe in other gods than their own, at least they believe in A god in some kind of a spirituality. Whereas atheists dont believe in any kind of god or spirituality which Muslims find it more offensive and insulting than "just" believing in other gods

Obviously this is my personal experience so take it with lots of salt.

Anyway lets go back to topic, this religious stuff is better left for other threads
 

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New Delhi: Specialised elements of a Strike Corps have reached Ladakh and the soldiers are undergoing reorientation training and familiarisation as part of the Army’s efforts to ‘rebalance’ its deployment on the northern, western and northeastern borders.
According to sources in the defence and security establishment, various new elements from the Strike Corps have reached Ladakh, including certain artillery units with specialised firepower, armoured and mechanised columns as well as the infantry.


“This is part of the re-orientation training. This is not a permanent deployment as they will come back to their stations after some time. They will be replaced by the rest of the elements from the particular Corps. The Strike Corps will come into play when there is a need,” a source told ThePrint.
 

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Just education isn’t enough. They need to provide opportunities for ethnic Tibetans to travel to other parts of China to either find job opportunities or bolster ties with local Tibetan businesses. Just dumping money doesn’t solve all the problems.
Yes. Money isn't enough. There has to be changes in cultural values and accepting modern line of thinking. Progressing from the 11th century to the 21st century will take time but can be done.

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