Hong-Kong Protests

Talk about twisting someone's words to suit it's own narratives. This is just mind gymnastics at work again.

Either he doesn't know the difference between the police and judges. Or he's deliberately distorting the facts.

The police is a public employee like no other. It's there to uphold the law. So if the lawmakers decided that it is an offence to burn the national flag. Then the police will need to stop that offence and arrest everyone involved in committing that offence.

The judges, on the other hand, interpret the law. And since the judicial system is subservient to the British law. And all judges have to be a barrister first that swore allegiances to the crown. The two can not be reconciĺled.

It is true that the chef executive select the judges. But he/she can only select the ones from a pool of practicing barristers who had already swore their allegiances to the crown.

Could you imagine if the chief executive appoint judges from China, not only is this unworkable and impractical. The likes of you know who would have a field day claiming further "errosion" of Hong Kong's freedom. Blah blah blah.

So it is just another crazy fantasy world our member is living in in his head to try to put the blame on the selection of judges on the chief executive. Instead on the system that was rigged in favour of the British from day one.

lgnxz said:

In regards to the national security laws, yes. And many more matters that can impact national matters, it's after all the basis of the one country two systems. The fact that my example of that one journalist being able to walk free despite video evidence of him being complicit in the beating just prove otherwise. This won't be the last one either, many people that are celebrating how many of the protesters and independence activists getting charged with the law should probably hold their happiness after they are actually convicted. Personally I expect the big fishes like Jimmy Lai will just get a lenient sentences given how atrocious the judicial branch has been.

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Please use the term "journalists" loosely. Lol

And as for the "traitor" Lai. Well you can't try him for treason as he's technically a Canadian national! Double lol

The traitor Jimmy Lai give an interview to Financial Times. Obviously it's UK mouth piece, so caution is required when reading.

He is the typical CCP hater I posted a few post back. Born in China to a rich family. Lost everything after CCP won the civil war. Suffered heavily under CCP. Escape to Hong Kong. And formented hatred of everything CCP since. And he's a Catholic. It says it all really.

A telling quote from the traitor:

"To avoid a war with China, you have got to threaten a war with China". If that's not traitors talk I don't know what is.

Hong Kong mogul Jimmy Lai: ‘At least we fought, we showed our dignity’ Tycoon who angered Beijing talks about Hong Kong’s uncertain future, backing Trump and never giving in.

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The letters sent to the US to illicit foreign help from the Civic party that I posted earlier. Apparently it has disappeared off the Civic party Facebook page after proudly displaying on it during last year. Also on Google search you can't recover it.

I wonder why.

Where's that man from the A-Team?

請各位廣傳這絕版文件於世，有5個人想毀屍滅跡！ #公民黨 否認曾經要求美國制裁香港。下面是去年9月2日公民黨黨魁 #楊岳橋 和 #郭榮鏗、#郭家麒、#譚文豪和 #陳淑莊 五人用公民黨的信箋寫給美國國會參眾兩院四名領袖的公函，信中主要的一句是「我們誠摯地懇求閣下及閣下的同僚們盡快通過（香港人權與民主）法案。」眾所週知，該法案就是美國為了制裁香港而出台的，這封信現在在公民黨的官方或黨員網站、Facebook 都已經被消失。Google search 也有紀錄，但按下去已經找不到內容。

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I don't know what the HK protesters/rioters are thinking of eliciting help from US during a US-China Cold War is a good idea, when HK is obviously Chinese Territory, even by US diplomatic standards.

It's like they were brainwashed by CIA operations to hurt themselves and China. No normal HKer would support that, because HK would get crushed.... and it lost it's special status too.

Since certain member here thinks the protest are largely peaceful. It's good then to remind ourselves just how peaceful these scums are.

Mr T said:

That's not relevant to the point lgnxz was making. lgnxz is complaining about foreign judges being in Hong Kong at all because he/she thinks that they're biased against CCP interests and somehow makes the judiciary "rotten". As I said, there's been no complaint on this forum about British citizens working for the HKPF or that those officers were biased.

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To be honest, it is wasted of time to reply to you as you keep distorting the facts.

Why should we complain when HKPF has already stopped hiring foreigners since 1994. If HK stopped hiring foreign judges since 1994, I am doubtful we would have complained since there would be only a few handful left and all would be retired in 2028. It is fine to have a transitional period but keep hiring judges that swore their allegiances to other countries and not to China and HK is just delusional after the handover.

The only way what you say could be relevant is if actually you and others secretly worry that the British officers have been hampering the HKPF but have decided to hide your true feelings because you're content to wait until 2028, rather than admit there's discontent within the HKPF towards the security crackdown. I don't believe that's the case at all and that if British officers were as "rotten" as British judges you and others would have said so.

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This is why members call you mental gymnastics. Not sure what this statement comes from. But I am still going to do my best to reply.

Firstly, many of us here have complained that HKPF has not done a great job initially for cracking down on rioters. HKPF has shown too much restraint and too timid to take decisive actions to disperse riots. We have mentioned many times that the high ranking police officers are not doing a good job. Of course, after the new chief took over that everything changes for better.

Secondly, comparing judges and police officers is just like comparing apple and orange. It is completely two different things. We can evaluate judges individually but only evaluate police force as a whole. That's why we criticized the HKPF at the beginning as a whole and compliment them as a whole after the new chief took over.

I've also pointed out that there was nothing to stop Carrie Lam refusing to fill vacancies with more foreign judges. Indeed, I'm not even aware that the Basic Law says there's a quota of judges that has to be filled from the Commonwealth. Rather, it has served the HK government's interests to voluntarily have foreign judges who have got to the top of their game (e.g. former Chief Justices and members of Supreme Courts) to work in HK.

The HK government and people like you who support it cannot complain when the HK government does something of its own free will.

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Who said I support Carrie Lam. lol

It is funny that you think many people who support the central government crack down on the rioters and traitors should support Carrie Lam who many consider as weak.

Gatekeeper said:

The traitor Jimmy Lai give an interview to Financial Times. Obviously it's UK mouth piece, so caution is required when reading.

He is the typical CCP hater I posted a few post back. Born in China to a rich family. Lost everything after CCP won the civil war. Suffered heavily under CCP. Escape to Hong Kong. And formented hatred of everything CCP since. And he's a Catholic. It says it all really.

A telling quote from the traitor:

"To avoid a war with China, you have got to threaten a war with China". If that's not traitors talk I don't know what is.

Hong Kong mogul Jimmy Lai: ‘At least we fought, we showed our dignity’ Tycoon who angered Beijing talks about Hong Kong’s uncertain future, backing Trump and never giving in.

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Yeh I saw, if he wasn’t rich he wouldn’t have gotten the interview.

Great explanation as to the reasons why the four local politicians were disqualified. As if explanation is needed.

It just annoying that the western MSM can twist things so far around to make it look like illiciting foreign help is perfectly ok.

If this their local politicians, they governor's, mayors etc. and they illicit foreign help from Russia or China. Their media would be screaming blue muder. Demanding to hang the traitors.

And by the way, have anyone noticed that our friend from the A-Team never condemn this. But it's quick to condemn their expulsion.

In a way, i sorta feel that the gov is giving the remaining activist a longer rope to hang themselves with. The more they think they are getting away with something, the more embolden they will become until suddenly the crackdown happens overnight. Browsing thru JW twitter acct, either the guy think he is a superhero or he has given up hope for living a "normal" life again