18% to be exact. 1/3rd is way exaggerated.
Hong-Kong Protests
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18% to be exact. 1/3rd is way exaggerated.
As I been saying for years. When I did my final project at university. It was on Hong Kong's political and economic development. One thing I found was Hong Kong's population swelled after CCP won the civil war. All the incomers were Chinese of the KMT variety. They lost everything. All their wealth confiscated. Their hatred for all things China is worse than those from Taiwan. At least they escaped with some of their wealth in tact.
The increase in population became bigger than us, the local indigenous Hong Kongers mainly living in New territory. You know Yuen Long, (you know, a certain A-Team member keeps harping on about them being triads). Anyway these new immigrants pass on their stories of their lost and grudges to the next generation and so on, as only the Chinese knows how to. This bitterness continues to this day.
Just in case anyone started doubting Hong Kongers commitment as Chinese, these people thought the disqualification is just. But of course you will never see this clip in your 6pm BBC news.
This us why people only see one sided view. Cough. Mr T.
This us why people only see one sided view. Cough. Mr T.
Mr T
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It depends what you mean. If you mean non-Han people who have nonetheless been resident in Hong Kong for a long time and therefore qualify to be judges, why aren't they eligible? Should HK racially discriminate against non-Chinese ethnic groups?
As for non-HK resident judges who moved to Hong Kong from overseas, they were appointed by Chief Executives since 1997. They weren't imposed by the UK or other countries. Are you now going to say that the Chief Executives can't be trusted to find good judges? If things were that bad they could just refuse to fill the vacancies and appoint more local judges.
In what way is the HK judiciary rotten - because the judges don't follow orders from the CCP?
There are plenty of judges who have convicted protesters. You can't expect all of them to convict just beacuse the police have brought charges.
Well there seems to be no complaint on this forum about British police officers working in the HK police. Aren't they also suspect? Or is it because they seem to have been quiet and/or supported the HK government's crackdown against the HK opposition that they're ok?
It's rather hypocritical to complain about one profession being open to foreigners, but then simultaneously support an equally important profession being open to that same group of non-nationals. Either British and other Commonwealth citizens are trustworthy or they're not.
I agree entirely. What we're dealing with today is the result of a century of direct colonization followed by decades of indirect colonization. Hong Kong didn't get to this sorry state in a day or a week or a year, and it will take a lot longer than that to repair the damage. But like you, I'm optimistic for the long-term future now that the gangrenous limbs are being amputated and the rottenness cauterized.
Hong Kong Police Force stopped hiring from overseas in 1994, and it has introduced Chinese language requirements for reading, writing, and speaking ever since. There are only a few dozens of British officers left and the last one would be retired in 2028. Please stop making false comparison and lying to justify your standpoint.
Don't tell him. It's great to see him keep coming out and open his mouth, only to find he's made a fool of himself in public once again!
This is where the western MSM are very economical with the truth. These four disqualified local politicians, when upon taking office, have swore allegiances to the Hong Kong AND China's constitution's and promised to uphold laws of both Hong Kong AND China's. An inconvient truth the western MSM conviently won't tell you about.
And yet it is perfectly ok according to the western MSM that these people openly illicit hostile forces to overthrow the very government they have promised to protect!
So in a way, you can forgive any western people including some members here of being so ignorant of the facts. Or maybe not, maybe some posters here have a certain agenda? Mmmmm?
And yet it is perfectly ok according to the western MSM that these people openly illicit hostile forces to overthrow the very government they have promised to protect!
So in a way, you can forgive any western people including some members here of being so ignorant of the facts. Or maybe not, maybe some posters here have a certain agenda? Mmmmm?
Mr T
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That's not relevant to the point lgnxz was making. lgnxz is complaining about foreign judges being in Hong Kong at all because he/she thinks that they're biased against CCP interests and somehow makes the judiciary "rotten". As I said, there's been no complaint on this forum about British citizens working for the HKPF or that those officers were biased.
The only way what you say could be relevant is if actually you and others secretly worry that the British officers have been hampering the HKPF but have decided to hide your true feelings because you're content to wait until 2028, rather than admit there's discontent within the HKPF towards the security crackdown. I don't believe that's the case at all and that if British officers were as "rotten" as British judges you and others would have said so.
I've also pointed out that there was nothing to stop Carrie Lam refusing to fill vacancies with more foreign judges. Indeed, I'm not even aware that the Basic Law says there's a quota of judges that has to be filled from the Commonwealth. Rather, it has served the HK government's interests to voluntarily have foreign judges who have got to the top of their game (e.g. former Chief Justices and members of Supreme Courts) to work in HK.
The HK government and people like you who support it cannot complain when the HK government does something of its own free will.
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In regards to the national security laws, yes. And many more matters that can impact national matters, it's after all the basis of the one country two systems. The fact that my example of that one journalist being able to walk free despite video evidence of him being complicit in the beating just prove otherwise. This won't be the last one either, many people that are celebrating how many of the protesters and independence activists getting charged with the law should probably hold their happiness after they are actually convicted. Personally I expect the big fishes like Jimmy Lai will just get a lenient sentences given how atrocious the judicial branch has been.
Glad we'd agree on something. There's also no such thing as 'good judges', for me judges in HK fall only on 2 category, either they pro-government or pro-opposition. There's of course overlap with pro-government foreign judges and pro-opposition local judges, but foreign judges shouldn't exist in the first place. This shouldn't be a problem to you either since western-style democracy also know this occurrence, and their executive branch and governing party will always elect judges that are supportive to their causes. Easy example is again america, with the common fiasco whenever they want to elect a new supreme court judge, everyone knows their judicial branch should be impartial but everyone also knows that it is not the case and republican/democrat judges exist lmao.
The current HK government now should just pick judges that are as biased as it can be to further our causes, recent rulings have shown that either they didn't filter them good enough, or mechanisms to remove/change the appointed judges are non-existent or keep getting blocked by the oppositions in legco. That shouldn't be a problem anymore with the 99% seats are in control.
It's the same thing as my overlap examples. It doesn't matter there are many good pro-government foreign police in HK, they still need to go, or at least shouldn't held high positions that can impact core work of the police. Police department is the least of my concern though since they have been the best division out of all government branch/department during the crisis.