That's a distinction without a difference. The steps necessary to subjugate a conquered people and those necessary to re-educate a misguided citizenry back into the fold turn out to be remarkably similar.
Hong-Kong Protests
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I don't know why we bother, the hatred of all things CCP China is strong in that one.
I mean here we are talking about the national security law set by China and Hong Kong. The same cessation law exist in america as you pointed out, with four years of bloody war to boot. Yet China is the one being singled out as the bogeyman.
And how does he do that, by pointing out independence party exist in other countries such as Spain, Canada and the UK. Yet deliberately misleading members here about the freedom and democracy that goes with their independence movement.
Some freedom and democracy when the ruling parties gets the FINAL say as in the recent Spanish referendum. And all those participated are now a wanted criminal. Because....... the Spanish government didn't authorised it!
With regards to the Scottish referendum. Again, the whole of the UK has to authorised it. And if they don't, there's no referendum. The very fact they had been authorised in the past is because the central government knew they are going to win. See how is all stack against them. This is the reason why the Spanish referendum was "illegal" because the central government knew it was going to loose!
Our friend keeps harping on about CCP China making independence party illegal act. Well, perhaps he should come out and spoke up about independence is illegal in the USA. Then we could take him seriously. But as it is, it's always CCP China is wrong. Everyone else in the west is right, even if it does the same thing. The double standards and hypocrisy is strong!
I know this is old news, but I have been away. Also this is to illustrate, and explain perhaps why certain members here have such hatred of GDP China.
Now, most of us get our information from all sources, and through critical thinking can deduced rights and wrongs or just accepted because It is what it is. Unfortunatly this is not the case for some members here.
Remember the stabbing of the policeman by a thug.
Well the Western MSM instead of reporting that, they have choose this. Why? Well we know why!
Or how about the MSM keeps reporting that the "World" is against China when reality is quite different.
Or reporting of Canadian's sanctions with great fanfare. When in reality it is miniscule!
Now, most of us get our information from all sources, and through critical thinking can deduced rights and wrongs or just accepted because It is what it is. Unfortunatly this is not the case for some members here.
Remember the stabbing of the policeman by a thug.
Well the Western MSM instead of reporting that, they have choose this. Why? Well we know why!
Or how about the MSM keeps reporting that the "World" is against China when reality is quite different.
Or reporting of Canadian's sanctions with great fanfare. When in reality it is miniscule!
The only countries that would actually be willing to fight a war against Chinese are US, Indians, and Vietnam. Rest have nothing to gain from fighting China.
Taiwan is just a disobedient teen in the family.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Well it is not the first time that many Hongkie plan to leave When the Brits hand over the reign of Hongkong in 1997. Many left for Canada but after buying a house and leave the wife and kid most of them come back to Hongkong because they can't find high paying job in Canada because they don't have connection.There is no better place to make money than in Hongkong with no income tax and plenty of jobs in finance as at that time many Chinese companies use hongkong to raise money.
So I won't expect million will leave hongkong
It's like the hoes that get used up and abandoned by their pimps.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Anyone crying crocodile tears about China’s anti terrorism laws really need to educate themselves on the lengths their ‘model citizen’ the British police went to in order to infiltrate the most dreaded of organisations - animal welfare groups.
This is a long-standing scandal from the 80s that is only now coming to light, with the end result being pay offs to stop law suits revealing the true scale of police infiltration operations of even the most innocuous of protest movements.
Anyone who harps on about how repressive Chinese police is are just snowflakes with no real understanding of the real world they live in.
If you go on the wrong websites in the west, you be on a watch list faster than you can blink, and if you are of the ‘wrong’ ethnic background, or if it sounds like you might actually be planning to turn words into will have anti-terror police kicking down your doors with amazing speed.
But this is all wasted words to the die hard western internet armchair trolls.
I suspect that at the end of the day, the only reason they ‘care’ so much about China is because China is doing so well. If China was some backwards basket case of a country, they would not care even if the population starves much less about their rights and freedoms. I mean, Yemen is in the midst of the worst humanitarian crisis in decades, do we see the usual suspects here shed even one Crocodile tear? They only care about China because China is outshining their precious west, and they only care about the anti terror laws because it tramples their wet dream of using HK to incite massed protests all across China and regime change China, swiftly followed by balkanisation and endless civil war. After which point they will go back to giving zero Fs about China, just like how they give zero Fs about everyone else.
It is people like this who actually epitomises why the west is failing so badly today. The best civilisations in human history are those who strive to do better than their rivals, thereby bettering themselves and advancing human civilisation. The failed empires are the ones who lost the will and drive to better themselves, and instead focused all their efforts on sabotaging others. These are the people who don’t care if they burn the world to the ground, so long as they get to be the king if the ashes. But inevitably, all they achieve is to burn their own house down, and become forgotten footnotes of history.
This is a long-standing scandal from the 80s that is only now coming to light, with the end result being pay offs to stop law suits revealing the true scale of police infiltration operations of even the most innocuous of protest movements.
Anyone who harps on about how repressive Chinese police is are just snowflakes with no real understanding of the real world they live in.
If you go on the wrong websites in the west, you be on a watch list faster than you can blink, and if you are of the ‘wrong’ ethnic background, or if it sounds like you might actually be planning to turn words into will have anti-terror police kicking down your doors with amazing speed.
But this is all wasted words to the die hard western internet armchair trolls.
I suspect that at the end of the day, the only reason they ‘care’ so much about China is because China is doing so well. If China was some backwards basket case of a country, they would not care even if the population starves much less about their rights and freedoms. I mean, Yemen is in the midst of the worst humanitarian crisis in decades, do we see the usual suspects here shed even one Crocodile tear? They only care about China because China is outshining their precious west, and they only care about the anti terror laws because it tramples their wet dream of using HK to incite massed protests all across China and regime change China, swiftly followed by balkanisation and endless civil war. After which point they will go back to giving zero Fs about China, just like how they give zero Fs about everyone else.
It is people like this who actually epitomises why the west is failing so badly today. The best civilisations in human history are those who strive to do better than their rivals, thereby bettering themselves and advancing human civilisation. The failed empires are the ones who lost the will and drive to better themselves, and instead focused all their efforts on sabotaging others. These are the people who don’t care if they burn the world to the ground, so long as they get to be the king if the ashes. But inevitably, all they achieve is to burn their own house down, and become forgotten footnotes of history.
I wouldn't put Vietnam in that list. In fact, Vietnam voted for China on Hong Kong National Security Law during the recent UN Human Rights Council. Vietnamese leaders are smart and pragmatic. Even India did not vote against China in that Council.
Vietnam or India may or may not go to war with China--not likely IMO--but they definitely would not go to war with China for the US or the West.
By the way, there were 53 countries voted for China for the Hong Kong National Security Law in the first group. They were followed by 20 more countries in support of China, which include Russia, Vietnam.
Both the Vietnamese and Indians know that the US and West wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing against them if China wasn't in the picture, so even allowing the smallest pretense would only result in a unending Libyan-style interventionism.