Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
With regards to Quebec. There was a similar question whether a "Yes" vote actually meant Quebec could separate without the rest of the country's approval. Furthermore, there were further complications by Aboriginal groups who are technically "sovereign nations" under Canadian Law who did not trust the Quebec government (they don't trust the Federal government already). They had threatened to declare their own independence from Quebec should a "Yes" vote actually meant separation. This was a contentious issue as most of Quebec's electricity was generated on Aboriginal territories. Finally, there was an issue whether the military would receive orders to withdraw, and how to deal with French-Canadian members. French-Canadians form a significant part of the Canadian military. Finally, there were economic issues as well. Quebec would have no currency, and since they had received "equalization" payments (other provinces gave Quebec money under federal oversight), other provinces felt they were "owed" this money back.

(As an aside, there is a Canadian military "MRE" (IMP) called Chinese-style beef macaroni. How is macaroni Chinese you may ask? It is actually a popular Quebec Chinese restaurant dish, so basically it's comfort food for French-Canadian soldiers)

So basically any implication that separation was just a matter of voting and saying your good byes is a gross oversimplification at best.

Furthermore, the current provincial government is not a pro-independence party. In fact, they specifically disavow separatism for the purpose of getting the best deal for Quebec. When the separatist party was in power, the interests of Quebec were actually harmed since whatever majority party formed the federal government essentially ignored Quebec. Now that the Quebec political situation is more settled and stable, they have been enjoying a lot of economic growth.

This just shows how are friends interpretation of the world is simplistic at best. I think Chinese living in Canada should throw a spanner in the work by declaring British Columbia independent. Lol

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Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
Let's see how this NSL gets implemented in HK. I think we all can agree that HK has entered a new phase with this. I'm betting that there shall be a new string of protests (new methods and means) that'll rise to combat the NSL and Chinese sovereignty. Defenitely going to see some drama (high profile arrests and such).
But the NSL is welcome in the sense that it creates another wall for HK secessionists to hit at. They will be forced to expend energy on the NSL over directly attacking CCP. If China creates more barriers in between that'll help.

I advocate for the taking up of new territories and some islands away from HK SAZ designation and integrate it into Shenzen SEZ. Then special housing complexes shall be built here to accommodate "patriots". That'll create another wall.

Mr. T, You are pretty active in Drive Warzone with Tyler and Co, right? I knew I had seen your username somewhere but I couldn't put a finger on it. I'm there too. Pretty heavy censorship policy over there under the garb of "troll ban" but ya know it is very easy to ape a right wing Anglo supremacist shill, so I get by unnoticed.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I have a stupid and potentially ignorant question. Many have accused the CCP of not keeping their promises of universal suffrage. What did the CCP exactly promise? Did they promise to let the HKers elect their governor in 20 years, or in 50 years? If they promised to do it in 50 years, why is everyone accusing the CCP long before the deadline?

This is where I have to fault the arrogance of Beijing who did not have to negotiate with the British at all because the original treaty said Hong Kong would be handed back to China. I highly doubt that Hong Kong that was taken from China during British imperialism and colonialism where they were trying to take over the world was thoughtful enough to foresee Hong Kong independent and democratic and not under their control to even care when they were trying to deny those things from everyone else. Maybe Hong Kongers thought they were special and the British only cared for them and no one else.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
Is Cataluña 2.0
If their congress gains a majority and then refuses to work with the central goverment , they will be incurring in subersive actions so the national security law applies.

LegCo does not (and cannot) vote on central Chinese government legislation. It can only vote on bills put forward by the Chief Executive on local HK issues - LegCo cannot create its own legislation. So the comparison is not valid.

With regards to Quebec. There was a similar question whether a "Yes" vote actually meant Quebec could separate without the rest of the country's approval.

I didn't say there wouldn't be any negotiations afterwards. But the fact that there were two referenda and neither was blocked by a federal court suggests that the central government would have at least been open to negotiations.

Furthermore, the current provincial government is not a pro-independence party.

True, but they are Quebec nationalists. And the Parti Quebecois (who are definitely pro-independence) are still legal and contest elections.

Mr. T, You are pretty active in Drive Warzone with Tyler and Co, right?

I've never heard of Drive Warzone. Are you sure you're not confusing me with some of the other 1 million+ internet users with the Mr T moniker?
 
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KYli

Brigadier
Let's see how this NSL gets implemented in HK. I think we all can agree that HK has entered a new phase with this. I'm betting that there shall be a new string of protests (new methods and means) that'll rise to combat the NSL and Chinese sovereignty. Defenitely going to see some drama (high profile arrests and such).
But the NSL is welcome in the sense that it creates another wall for HK secessionists to hit at. They will be forced to expend energy on the NSL over directly attacking CCP. If China creates more barriers in between that'll help.

I advocate for the taking up of new territories and some islands away from HK SAZ designation and integrate it into Shenzen SEZ. Then special housing complexes shall be built here to accommodate "patriots". That'll create another wall.

Mr. T, You are pretty active in Drive Warzone with Tyler and Co, right? I knew I had seen your username somewhere but I couldn't put a finger on it. I'm there too. Pretty heavy censorship policy over there under the garb of "troll ban" but ya know it is very easy to ape a right wing Anglo supremacist shill, so I get by unnoticed.

I doubt there would be much of protests over NSL. You overestimate these rioters. Many of their leaders have already fled.

The oppositions focus has always been on the elections especially LegCo that is coming up soon. I think the central government would find a way to do land reclamation in HK. But the central government's main strategy is using the NSL to go after those oppositions that instigate violent and call for independent. By calling the oppositions fake primary as color revolution, I do believe the central and HK government would be proactive in going after the rioters.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
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Good riddance, but HK must take steps to revoke their Chinese citizenships so they are gone for good.

Odds are these losers and wasters in HK will find life just as, if not significantly harder, in the UK, and will be desperate to return after the see the reality of what it is to live in the west, especially in the age of covid.

While some might say that having them crawl back with their tails between the legs would be a good lesson to others in HK, I think having them live on the streets, destitute as a newly minted British citizen would be more effective and also serve them right.
 

Mr T

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Beijing has blasted the Hong Kong democratic camp’s weekend primaries as a “serious provocation” of the current electoral system after organisers revealed the initial results from electronic ballots.

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released on Monday night, China’s liaison office in Hong Kong called the vote to select pro-democracy candidates “illegal” and said it would undermine the fairness of the Legislative Council election in September.

Yes, how unfair that the democratic parties are allowed to coordinate their candidates so they have a better chance of winning seats. It's only fair if they remain divided and compete against each other, so that parties like the DAB find it easier to win.
 

KYli

Brigadier
More like an attempt to rig the election by turning voters into voting machine. It is ironic that the people who advocate for democracy and universal suffrage would restore to the most undemocratic thing by rigging the election and forcing people to form voting block.

It also shows the hypocrisy of the Westerners and their supporters and their media. There are always justification for whatever the HK oppositions did no matter how bizarre and undemocratic. I always find it funny how these same people would speak in a straight face and justify what the oppositions did but at the time would criticize Russia and many other countries as undemocratic.
 

supersnoop

Major
Registered Member
Good riddance, but HK must take steps to revoke their Chinese citizenships so they are gone for good.

Odds are these losers and wasters in HK will find life just as, if not significantly harder, in the UK, and will be desperate to return after the see the reality of what it is to live in the west, especially in the age of covid.

While some might say that having them crawl back with their tails between the legs would be a good lesson to others in HK, I think having them live on the streets, destitute as a newly minted British citizen would be more effective and also serve them right.

He won't be destitute, there is a reason why he left for London, he was always paid by them.

"There’s always one message I have: Hongkongers will never give up. We aren’t fractured. On the contrary, we're well-equipped to face the next difficult battle."

Nelson Mandela spent almost 20 years in jail. William Kuok (brother of Malaysia's richest man) was killed by the British in the jungle. Yet this guy pretends to be some sort of freedom fighter. What a joke.

Can't respect these people. They are all fakes.
 
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