Wow. Not sure where you have been living in the past few years. But welcome back to the world.
So China CCP fault for playing badly! Ok care to elaborate?
Hong-Kong Protests
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Wow. Not sure where you have been living in the past few years. But welcome back to the world.
So China CCP fault for playing badly! Ok care to elaborate?
At best a political gesture from the UK, with actually very minimal chance of allowing settlement despite the flowery phrase of "pathway to citizenship" (assuming current immigration law and barrier stands), whilst at the same time dangling some hopes for the protesters that they have a getaway option.
As someone who has recently dealt with permanent residency in the UK (a pre-requisite for the year before moving onto citizenship application), the criteria's for application are stringent. People with BNO will probably have to go for the long residence route (i.e. being in the UK legally for 10 years, but havent left UK for more than 180 days at a time, or 540 days in total).
BNO also does not automatically grant working rights and access to public funds (NHS); I would imagine if you want to work in the UK whilst waiting out that 10 years on a BNO you will need to get a separate work visa - not something that a BNO would make any easier.
BNOs are not considered to have right for citizenship as people from HK with BNOs are considered "Chinese nationals" - current law (Section 4B of British Nationality Act 1981) forbids BNO holders application of citizenship if you have another nationality. So the crux of the matter would be whether UK would change this practice.
So far all the communications from the UK government fails to mention the nationality issue, I think that is very telling. Without addressing this, the new rules the BNOs basically just means you get to go on an extended holiday in the UK for a year without requiring to apply for a visa.
So yes it is a path to citizenship, but the starting point of this path is no different from anyone else.
antiterror13
Brigadier
I know I posted this here before, but it is still making me laugh. And it's still valid today as it was in the 1980s, because this did actually happened to my sister/cousin and me. (That's a story for another day).
Dominic Rabbs, the most right-wing British foreign secretary in living memory, trying to look "strong", by........ actually looking very weak! Lol
I mean what did he announced?
Other countries are with him (Just like a school bully, look how tough I'm, I've got all these bro behind me!)
Extend stay, yippy. At the end of the period, you lot HAVE to clear off!
Threats of further actions....... yeah, like a poker player bluffing with a lousy pair! And what's more, everyone else knows you are bluffing with a lousy pair! Threats of offering FULL citizenship!? Dont make me laugh. In the words of John Ross, "if Britain wanted to give FULL citizenship, they would've done that already!" And these thugs and their sponsors wouldn't have to obtain foreign citizenship (See Jimmy Lai for example, it was rife in the 1980s and 1990s which caused estate bubbles in Canada and elsewhere as these scums trying to obtain citizenship with money), and then return to Hong Kong to cause a mess.
Dominic Rabbs, the most right-wing British foreign secretary in living memory, trying to look "strong", by........ actually looking very weak! Lol
I mean what did he announced?
Other countries are with him (Just like a school bully, look how tough I'm, I've got all these bro behind me!)
Extend stay, yippy. At the end of the period, you lot HAVE to clear off!
Threats of further actions....... yeah, like a poker player bluffing with a lousy pair! And what's more, everyone else knows you are bluffing with a lousy pair! Threats of offering FULL citizenship!? Dont make me laugh. In the words of John Ross, "if Britain wanted to give FULL citizenship, they would've done that already!" And these thugs and their sponsors wouldn't have to obtain foreign citizenship (See Jimmy Lai for example, it was rife in the 1980s and 1990s which caused estate bubbles in Canada and elsewhere as these scums trying to obtain citizenship with money), and then return to Hong Kong to cause a mess.
An interesting article on British colonialism in India but applicable and similar to British policy in HK.
Some relevant points quoted below.
(1) Surprise Surprise. the British enforced a sedition law far more rigorous than in the Britain. They have no standing in their criticism for HK Security Law.
(2) Similarly, HK people was being used as a class of interpreters between British and Chinese whom they want to control and govern. The HK people standing are second class citizen, who are taught to be culturally English. HK people are under threat is not any type of social injustice, the threat is losing their second class standing under their adopted master.
Political dissidence was legally repressed through various acts, including a sedition law far more rigorous than its British equivalent. The penal code contained 49 articles on crimes relating to dissent against the state (and only 11 on crimes involving death).
Of course the British did give India the English language, the benefits of which persist to this day. Or did they? The English language was not a deliberate gift to India, but again an instrument of colonialism, imparted to Indians only to facilitate the tasks of the English. In his notorious 1835 Minute on Education, Lord Macaulay articulated the classic reason for teaching English, but only to a small minority of Indians: “We must do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indians in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals and in intellect.”
Some relevant points quoted below.
(1) Surprise Surprise. the British enforced a sedition law far more rigorous than in the Britain. They have no standing in their criticism for HK Security Law.
(2) Similarly, HK people was being used as a class of interpreters between British and Chinese whom they want to control and govern. The HK people standing are second class citizen, who are taught to be culturally English. HK people are under threat is not any type of social injustice, the threat is losing their second class standing under their adopted master.
Political dissidence was legally repressed through various acts, including a sedition law far more rigorous than its British equivalent. The penal code contained 49 articles on crimes relating to dissent against the state (and only 11 on crimes involving death).
Of course the British did give India the English language, the benefits of which persist to this day. Or did they? The English language was not a deliberate gift to India, but again an instrument of colonialism, imparted to Indians only to facilitate the tasks of the English. In his notorious 1835 Minute on Education, Lord Macaulay articulated the classic reason for teaching English, but only to a small minority of Indians: “We must do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indians in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals and in intellect.”
Guys I know this is not exactly Hong Kong, but please bear with me because it helps me make a point. (Mods feel free to move it if it's not in the right thread).
This was a tweet from POTUS. But I would like you guys to close your eyes and imagine if this was a tweet by President Xi regarding Hong Kong.
What would your opinion be? And what do think the reactions of MSM be?
For the record, I was horrified that a president can take pleasure and gloat all the time your country burns. But all the time, very little is reported by the MSM, unlike Hong Kong.
Here's the tweet;
"Great job last night at the White House by the U.S. @SecretService. They were not only totally professional, but very cool. I was inside, watched every move, and couldn’t have felt more safe. They let the “protesters” scream & rant as much as they wanted, but whenever someone....
....got too frisky or out of line, they would quickly come down on them, hard - didn’t know what hit them. The front line was replaced with fresh agents, like magic. Big crowd, professionally organized, but nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had they would....
....have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least. Many Secret Service agents just waiting for action. “We put the young ones on the front line, sir, they love it, and....
....good practice.” As you saw last night, they were very cool & very professional. Never let it get out of hand. Thank you! On the bad side, the D.C. Mayor, @MurielBowser, who is always looking for money & help, wouldn’t let the D.C. Police get involved. “Not their job.” Nice!"
This is a separate tweet just in , and I had time to edit, so here it is:
They professionally managed so-called “protesters” at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???
This was a tweet from POTUS. But I would like you guys to close your eyes and imagine if this was a tweet by President Xi regarding Hong Kong.
What would your opinion be? And what do think the reactions of MSM be?
For the record, I was horrified that a president can take pleasure and gloat all the time your country burns. But all the time, very little is reported by the MSM, unlike Hong Kong.
Here's the tweet;
"Great job last night at the White House by the U.S. @SecretService. They were not only totally professional, but very cool. I was inside, watched every move, and couldn’t have felt more safe. They let the “protesters” scream & rant as much as they wanted, but whenever someone....
....got too frisky or out of line, they would quickly come down on them, hard - didn’t know what hit them. The front line was replaced with fresh agents, like magic. Big crowd, professionally organized, but nobody came close to breaching the fence. If they had they would....
....have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen. That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least. Many Secret Service agents just waiting for action. “We put the young ones on the front line, sir, they love it, and....
....good practice.” As you saw last night, they were very cool & very professional. Never let it get out of hand. Thank you! On the bad side, the D.C. Mayor, @MurielBowser, who is always looking for money & help, wouldn’t let the D.C. Police get involved. “Not their job.” Nice!"
This is a separate tweet just in , and I had time to edit, so here it is:
They professionally managed so-called “protesters” at the White House had little to do with the memory of George Floyd. They were just there to cause trouble. The @SecretService handled them easily. Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???
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PikeCowboy
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Couldnt picture Xi, Pictured one of the King Louis's or Marie Antoniette
See how my great guards dispatched of the peasants! Lol...Trump needs someone to review his tweets
See how my great guards dispatched of the peasants! Lol...Trump needs someone to review his tweets
It's funny, when it goes against them, and somehow it gets interpreted as "cherry picking".
It is a good job (I don't mean it in a gloating way) that recent event in USA has brought to light the double standards of western standards. No amount of cherry picking is going to cover this up.
Trump, his governors, MSM are saying that any law-breakers, people caught with Molotov cocktails will be treated as criminals, And will be shot. With Trump particularly pleased with attack dogs and wonderful weaponry. So far in a few days over 8 people have been shot and killed by the authority. (Where as in Hong Kong not ONE person dies at the hand of the authority!)
Despite unproven accusations of police brutality. Yeah, where is the one-eye girl who run for cover with injunction brought against her medical records. You won't be doing that if you got nothing to hide!
Amnesty international out in force trying to make out Hong Kong police have behaved inappropriately. Yet, none forthcoming for the recent killings of black people in USA. who's cherry picking here?
Yet at the same time Pompeo says the USA stands with the law-breaker of Hong Kong. And Nancy Pelosy a few months back saying what a "beautiful sight" as Hong Kong burns!
Well is it any surprise that some in Hong Kong feel s angry about this. So it's no surprise social media has wiped up a storm on this.
who's cherry picking then?
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Cherry picking at it's best by the empire!
Well, that didn't age well!
That's the problem, alot of our members are quite insular. Almost a sheltered life. I remember the Bush-Gore election. And Bush was on records to say he only ever left USA once to go to Mexico. What!
I don't recall anyone here of saying you can't debate here. So please don't say such thing. In fact, your contribution is welcome.