Hong-Kong Protests

AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Like I've been saying in this forum for a long time. Crimes are not determined by the act one commits. Crimes are determined by two factors. Who commits the act and who's the victim of that act. That's why some people argue Hong Kong and George Floyd are unrelated. If you believe crimes are determined by the acts one commits, then you will see the hypocrisy of what really is enforced by who hides behind the rule of law. China is maintain the system of government the British left but China is denying democracy by doing that. That's why laws against crack cocaine use are punished worse those that just use cocaine when crack is a derivative of cocaine. China is committing a crime when they enact the very same laws of countries that say it's a crime when China does it.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
@manqiangrexue
It’s known for that because we hold it in extreme disgust. Every incident gets blasted across the news cycle just as do other violent crimes. Yet continuously I see... no have seen every incident blown up first by MSM then by propagandist. We spotlight it because we can do better not because it’s rampant.
The argument you make is bull shit.
That US cops go right to killing that’s a Hollywood movie and far from reality.
I have seen incidents where police officers in the US had to defend themselves from attack and their first response isn’t the Glock it’s to detain. No Judge Dredd.
I have seen at close hand a man insult a Cop on several occasions even try to pick a fight with one. Because he 1) Knew he would survive and 2) was looking to file a law suit against the city in hopes of Making the kind of claim you are talking about. IE Racist Cops. The cop simply rolled his eyes and told him to get lost. Have also seen where the perp pushed the issue. No body bag a par of cuffs and a shot of pepper spray.

MSM would have love for it to have gone to a throw down. Your propaganda would have been all over it.
Police response in the US rarely resorts to violence even at protests. The response here is perfect case in point.
after the termination of the 4 officers in question with potential for prosecution, we have had protests but no body count. In the 2016 Milwaukee riot there was only a single fatality. You say the US system is better I agree because it doesn’t work the way you claim.
 
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foxmulder_ms

Junior Member
TerraN_EmpirE said:
@manqiangrexue
It’s known for that because we hold it in extreme disgust. Every incident gets blasted across the news cycle just as do other violent crimes. Yet continuously I see... no have seen every incident blown up first by MSM then by propagandist. We spotlight it because we can do better not because it’s rampant.
The argument you make is bull shit.
That US cops go right to killing that’s a Hollywood movie and far from reality.
I have seen incidents where police officers in the US had to defend themselves from attack and their first response isn’t the Glock it’s to detain. No Judge Dredd.
I have seen at close hand a man insult a Cop on several occasions even try to pick a fight with one. Because he 1) Knew he would survive and 2) was looking to file a law suit against the city in hopes of Making the kind of claim you are talking about. IE Racist Cops. The cop simply rolled his eyes and told him to get lost. Have also seen where the perp pushed the issue. No body bag a par of cuffs and a shot of pepper spray.

MSM would have love for it to have gone to a throw down. Your propaganda would have been all over it.
Police response in the US rarely resorts to violence even at protests. The response here is perfect case in point.
after the termination of the 4 officers in question with potential for prosecution, we have had protests but no body count. In the 2016 Milwaukee riot there was only a single fatality. You say the US system is better I agree because it doesn’t work the way you claim.
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??

Can you "read" numbers?

1) US has the biggest number of prisoners on the Earth! US has more than 2 MILLION people in jail right now. No other country is even remotely close. India and China, combined, with 8x the population have less than US has... again, combined! When you adjust according to population US is worse than Russia and obviously world #1!

2) US police kills ~1000 people per year. #5 of the world after Brazil, Venezuela, Philippines and Syria (before the civil war). Basically one needs a war to see more people shot to dead by a government. Killed people are around 35% black even though they are less than 15% of the population.

US legal system is in a sorry state. Yes, there is police brutality and racial profiling, numbers don't lie. A few privileged uses prisoners as free labor and lobby for the system to stay as is. If the recent incident was not on video I am doubtful anything would have happened those officers.


If the events in HK were in USA, there would be dead people most probably and many in the prisons for a long time.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Isn’t that true anywhere? Let’s face reality there are cops who shouldn’t have a badge everywhere. Cops put up with a lot of crap in the US and are slammed with Stereotypes. However the claim is that there is a fundamentally racists system in place in the US and no matter the cop no matter the place they are all super violent robocops who shoot first ask questions later. That’s a Stereotype at best. Propaganda at worst. Which is where we come in here. It’s used as and i paraphrase “What those ungrateful Hong Kongers should get.”
Have the National Guard been called in? Yes as just 4 years ago there was another case where they were needed. But will they be cracking skulls.

first yes more imprisonments. Primary narcotics crimes. Less killed.
Fifth in the world reported. Remember not every country reports.
compared to what system? The 99% conviction rate? The systems where people disappear? We have our issues but reality isyou can quote those fax and figures and trust them.

If HK was in the USA.... bogus for two reasons 1) the causes are unique to the HK PRC.
2) we have seen long term disruptive protests in US cities In particular. The Occupy Wallstreet protests seem like an apt contrast nationally Related protests resulted in 8000 arrested and 32 deaths in NYC however only 2000 arrested. The NYC being comparable in scope.
the PRC is known to have had 9000 arrest and 2 confirmed deaths.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
TerraN_EmpirE said:
@manqiangrexue
It’s known for that because we hold it in extreme disgust. Every incident gets blasted across the news cycle just as do other violent crimes. Yet continuously I see... no have seen every incident blown up first by MSM then by propagandist. We spotlight it because we can do better not because it’s rampant.
The argument you make is bull shit.
That US cops go right to killing that’s a Hollywood movie and far from reality.
I have seen incidents where police officers in the US had to defend themselves from attack and their first response isn’t the Glock it’s to detain. No Judge Dredd.
I have seen at close hand a man insult a Cop on several occasions even try to pick a fight with one. Because he 1) Knew he would survive and 2) was looking to file a law suit against the city in hopes of Making the kind of claim you are talking about. IE Racist Cops. The cop simply rolled his eyes and told him to get lost. Have also seen where the perp pushed the issue. No body bag a par of cuffs and a shot of pepper spray.

MSM would have love for it to have gone to a throw down. Your propaganda would have been all over it.
Police response in the US rarely resorts to violence even at protests. The response here is perfect case in point.
after the termination of the 4 officers in question with potential for prosecution, we have had protests but no body count. In the 2016 Milwaukee riot there was only a single fatality. You say the US system is better I agree because it doesn’t work the way you claim.
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No, the bull shit is all on you. I've lived in both China and the US; have you? You think you have it good because you've never seen what good is like. It's literally pretty much impossible to incur police violence upon yourself in China without attacking an officer. You see what you see, and I see what I see. In NYC and DC, I've seen multiple times the police put their knees on the back of a handcuffed (black) man who was skinny and unarmed, though likely drunk. Despite this, they would still call in like 6 police cars to the scene. Driving through Atlanta, I've seen a cop stalk in the darkness with his gun drawn in hand and then 50 meters away see an unarmed black teen hiding behind a van. I've been pulled over and saw a cop get ready to draw his gun as he watched me take out my wallet for my license. This nastiness is alien to all Chinese. And yes, it's not every American cop that goes for his weapon on first instinct, but the proportion is high enough for these incidents to be all over the news and for a person who grew up in the city to see it more than once. It is also so high that you are giving me examples of when the police didn't abuse their powers. When you have a car and you have to give people examples of trips on which it didn't die and require a tow, is it a good car?

There is no comparison between Chinese and American police and also none between the rioting and terrorism in Hong Kong with the protests in America. You cannot possibly tell me that American cops wouldn't have killed a person throwing moltovs/shooting arrows/coming at them with a knife. It's not possible. You might get lucky once and fall flat on your face disarming yourself before they had a chance to shoot (in which case you likely have some chance that they won't kill you anyway) but at the rate at which it was happening in Hong Kong without fatalities? It's a different world from the US. Makes no sense to any American. And it makes no sense that you are comparing US police reaction during actual protesting to Hong Kong police reaction during attacks on their lives. The US system is better and desperately needed in Hong Kong because Hong Kong is broken but the American system is a disgusting antiquated system built on fear unsuitable for any civilized community compared to the peace and respect afforded between the police and the civilians by the system in mainland China.
 
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B.I.B.

Captain
Red Moon said:
In the war with India (1962), China waited 9 months for the right moment to act. Both the US and the Soviet Union (India's supporters) were quite busy at that point -- with each other, in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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But surely the weather would have been a influencing factor?
 
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