Hong-Kong Protests

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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gadgetcool5 said:
That's what they said about 5G. "The US is alone, the UK is letting Huawei in." Now the UK is leading a consortium of nations including India for an alternative to 5G.
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If this includes the EU, US and India it would be the world's biggest and more advanced market, shutting out China.
Congrats to CPC hardliners. You've really done a bang-up job on this one. China lost the opportunity of a generation to lead in technology here.
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Hi tidalwave. knew you couldn't stay away. Guess you weighed all the places you could be tonight and despite all your early humiliation, this was still the place where you messed up least, eh? LOL

All the muscle and desire is from the US. This is the UK putting the US on the spot; UK was always game to go US 5G if they could put one together. But they can't and the other nations have neither the funds nor the interest to put much into it. It's symbolic and I don't even believe that the UK can stay in this project for long.

China's path to self-sufficiency is the only path forward and they'll always do a bang-up job as they always have pushing China's ascent. China lost nothing and remains the largest market in the world with the greatest 5G potential; only you start to think about defeat at the mere sight of opposition. China and the CCP contemplate long term victory.
 
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KYli

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gadgetcool5 said:
That's what they said about 5G. "The US is alone, the UK is letting Huawei in." Now the UK is leading a consortium of nations including India for an alternative to 5G.
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If this includes the EU, US and India it would be the world's biggest and more advanced market, shutting out China.
Congrats to CPC hardliners. You've really done a bang-up job on this one. China lost the opportunity of a generation to lead in technology here.
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If there is alternative, then UK and many other countries would have chosen them already. Nokia is way way behind. Ecrission is at least 2 years behind. If UK and other countries wanted inferior and more expensive 5G, then they could wait. Without Huawei, Ecrission and 5G providers would charge outrageous prices and most of the telecom companies would be forced to slow down or cut back on 5G expansion.
 
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gadgetcool5

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foxmulder_ms said:
What are you talking about? Only thing China did wrong was being better ;) And no, all those countries combined have less of market than China alone for 5G.
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China 1.4 billion

India 1.4 billion
EU 600 million
5 Eye's 400 million
Total India+EU+5 Eye's = 2.4 billion
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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@gadgetcool5 /tidalwave/adiru/whatever

Also, the project is in proposal phase, with invites being sent out (or have official invites even been sent out?) to countries that are in recession and eyeballs deep in COVID-19 cases telling them to give funding and divert efforts (in a field that most of them have no experience with) to making something mainly for America's benefit. Additionally, the list of 10 nations mainly includes countries like USA, Australia, Japan, Canada (and India really doesn't want Huawei either) that would not have went with Huawei anyway so their market is moot to China. Adding together a bunch of markets that you never had doesn't equate to losing a big market!
 
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Dolcevita

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manqiangrexue said:
I have long pondered what the strategy should be to clean up Hong Kong and make it the upstanding Chinese city it deserves to be and short of killing everyone too rotten to save, I am reminded of a strategy that my marine biology professor taught us in college (I took marine biology because I like seafood): "The solution to pollution is dilution." One of the main reasons that these youngsters are behaving in this way is pack mentality, that it's currently cool to behave this way in Hong Kong. If China can dilute them around more proper mainland Chinese kids, they'll follow a different pack mentality in order to be cool again. If every Hong Konger is around 5 or 10 mainland kids and hardly any other Hong Kongers, first of all, the violence will stop immediately because they only dared fight someone 10 on 1 when they are the 10, not the 1. Secondly, they will more and more melt into the mainland culture to fit in with the new surroundings, and sometimes, it's hard listening to a government that you were conditioned to hate just like sometimes kids don't listen to anything their parents tell them, but peers have much greater influence on the youth. When then new cool is to be the reformed/woke Hong Konger who embraces the motherland, the problem will basically be gone.

Unfortunately, Hong Kong is quite packed so it'd be difficult/impossible putting an extra 35-70 million people in there so if that can't be done, forceful relocation could be the only way. It sure beats waiting 2 generations!
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I think a better strategy is to dilute the relevance of HK as a financial center, trading post and travel destination, which is the source of perceived entitlement by these young HK people. Make it a more normal Chinese city and make these thugs do actual work to earn their fair share in wages, not just expecting social welfare handout as some here mentioned.

This is not 1950 or 1960's, Yiwu, Shenzhen, and many Chinese cities have gained relevance as the Asian trading post. Shanghai, Shenzhen and Singapore are more stable and reliable financial service center. Hainan, Mainland China, Singapore, Japan, Korea among others have opened up as attractive travel destination the past decade. The US recent actions would actually help make HK less relevant and will help in normalizing HK as just another Chinese City. All these factors are making HK less relevant and China should not actively resist this trend. China can possibly even help expedite the trend as needed.

Some here say the HK system needs to adopt socialist welfare policy and provide undeserved social welfare handout. If true, they should be blaming the British for resisting China's wish to fully integrate HK, as the Chinese governance model has been proven to be the better governance model between the 2 system.
 
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manqiangrexue

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Dolcevita said:
I think a better strategy is to dilute the relevance of HK as a financial center, trading post and travel destination, which is the source of perceived entitlement by these young HK people. Make it a more normal Chinese city and make these thugs do actual work to earn their fair share in wages, not just expecting social welfare handout as some here mentioned.

This is not 1950 or 1960's, Yiwu, Shenzhen, and many Chinese cities have gained relevance as the Asian trading post. Shanghai, Shenzhen and Singapore are more stable and reliable financial service center. Hainan, Mainland China, Singapore, Japan, Korea among others have opened up as attractive travel destination the past decade. The US recent actions would actually help make HK less relevant and will help in normalizing HK as just another Chinese City. All these factors are making HK less relevant and China should not resist this and can possibly help expedite the process.

Some here say the HK system needs to adopt socialist welfare policy and provide undeserved social welfare handout. If true, they should be blaming the British for resisting China's wish to fully integrate HK, as the Chinese governance model has been proven to be the better governance model between the 2 system.
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Of course, that too, but the question I was thinking about is not how to replace Hong Kong, but what to do with so many mentally infected teens, and for that I say dilute them.
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
That's what they said about 5G. "The US is alone, the UK is letting Huawei in." Now the UK is leading a consortium of nations including India for an alternative to 5G.
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If this includes the EU, US and India it would be the world's biggest and more advanced market, shutting out China.
Congrats to CPC hardliners. You've really done a bang-up job on this one. China lost the opportunity of a generation to lead in technology here.
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Do not be naive. The U.S. would try to exclude China no matter what CPC hardliners did. The only "mistake" China made was to be a leader in 5G technologies.

gadgetcool5 said:
China 1.4 billion

India 1.4 billion
EU 600 million
5 Eye's 400 million
Total India+EU+5 Eye's = 2.4 billion
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Forget India. So it's 1 billion vs China's 1.4 billion. Or maybe you can add half of India, and maybe Africa, the Middle East, and the South America should be added to China's side.


EU, except former member UK, has no intention to be America's lackey:
China’s Hong Kong Law Drives Wedge Between EU and Western Allies
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The bloc calls for dialogue as it seeks to avoid becoming entangled in escalating rivalry between U.S. and China

BRUSSELS—The European Union faces a fresh breach with Washington over
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and a potential split with the U.K. on a major foreign-policy issue for the first time since it left the EU in January.

Anxious not to become entangled in America’s escalating rivalry with China, EU foreign ministers on Friday emphasized the need for dialogue over Hong Kong, although they described China’s moves to tighten its grip on the territory as a matter of “grave concern.”

The EU statement came hours before President Trump announced punitive measures against China over its Hong Kong decisions.

After a videoconference on China among the bloc’s 27 foreign ministers on Friday, EU foreign-policy chief Josep Borrell said that only one country had raised the subject of sanctions and that he didn’t believe China’s actions would affect European investment deals in the country. He said the EU isn’t looking to cancel or postpone major diplomatic meetings with China planned for the coming months.

“We will continue discussing and we will continue to reach out to Beijing,” Mr. Borrell told reporters. “We will continue trying to put pressure on the Chinese authorities in order to make them aware that this issue will affect the way we deal with some of the issues of mutual interest. But there is nothing more on the agenda.”
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hullopilllw

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I guess China certainly dont see any point of staying under the western led world order anymore, since the west demands conformity that essentially require China to stop developing her economy and technology. A world order that deprive non western players of the rights from winning the game by the rule is not one that is open and equal.
 
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Dolcevita

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manqiangrexue said:
Of course, that too, but the question I was thinking about is not how to replace Hong Kong, but what to do with so many mentally infected teens, and for that I say dilute them.
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The issue with the retarded brainwashed HK people is they have been indoctrinated to act as second class citizen to help control China. Their perception of self-worth is derived from this status, without which they have no standing in the overall scheme of things. The British will continue lip service of support but is otherwise powerless. HK people needs to wake up to this delusion.

China have taken decisive actions with the recent HK Security Law. This will help criminalize malicious foreign interventionist and seditious acts. Once stabilized, HK can then proceed to reform the various dysfunctional agencies such as education council, media council, legal council, etc.

On your dilution of population plan, it will not be practical to implement until such time when HK becomes a normal Chinese city. Once relevence of HK is diluted and governance is normalize, then the population can freely move to other parts of China for better opportunities and deradicalize on their own.

BTW. to retaliate against recent US interventionist actions, China should immediately and permanently ban any visit to HK by the US Navy and military. This can easily be justified as defensive acts against foreign intervention from US.
 
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