Hong-Kong Protests

SoupDumplings

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If China has the advantage, why does China always act in the defensive to what the US does? China shouldn't even bother if they have so many countries supporting it.
I didn't say countries supported China, I said that China's non-interventionist policy is China's advantage. This just means that countries are more willing to make deals with China compared to the US, which usually comes with strings attached (human rights, transparency, western companies etc). This doesn't mean that countries will publicly support China on the world stage (although China did manage to get many countries to support it in the Xinjiang vote at the UN).

Also, don't forget that the media rarely reports if countries are happy with China's non-interventionism. They will only report if a country dislikes China. Any time a country claims to support China, the media usually adds a paragraph or two about Chinese investments and money to make it look fake (which is kinda true imho, countries don't have friends).

That's my opinion at least.
 

MrCrazyBoyRavi

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The only way to stop a bully is retaliation.
If he makes jokes about you, you also make fun of him.
If he beats u , u throw punches back.
If he gang up on you, you gang up with other victim and surround him.

Inaction will only motivate him to bully u more.
Submission will only make you his pet.
Retaliation will atleast make him think twice or hesitant to attack eventhough you might get hurt temporarily.
 

SoupDumplings

Junior Member
Registered Member
The only way to stop a bully is retaliation.
If he makes jokes about you, you also make fun of him.
If he beats u , u throw punches back.
If he gang up on you, you gang up with other victim and surround him.

Inaction will only motivate him to bully u more.
Submission will only make you his pet.
Retaliation will atleast make him think twice or hesitant to attack eventhough you might get hurt temporarily.
I agree that there should be retaliation. After all, how China acts will basically teach other countries how to treat China. If China acts weak, others will learn that China will bend if enough pressure is applied. However, China must make sure the way it retaliates doesn't weaken itself or make itself look less appealing to other countries.

It should avoid penalising and pissing off foreign businesses and companies, who create jobs and influence politicians in foreign countries. Foreign businesses have helped China many times, and should be supported. If China wants to retaliate, she should directly attack the politicians and their supporters who support bills against China.

Anyway, I'm gonna stop here, I think this is getting off topic.
 

AssassinsMace

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I didn't say countries supported China, I said that China's non-interventionist policy is China's advantage. This just means that countries are more willing to make deals with China compared to the US, which usually comes with strings attached (human rights, transparency, western companies etc). This doesn't mean that countries will publicly support China on the world stage (although China did manage to get many countries to support it in the Xinjiang vote at the UN).

Also, don't forget that the media rarely reports if countries are happy with China's non-interventionism. They will only report if a country dislikes China. Any time a country claims to support China, the media usually adds a paragraph or two about Chinese investments and money to make it look fake (which is kinda true imho, countries don't have friends).

That's my opinion at least.

China already criticizes the US with the annual report on US human rights violations so they are "interventionalists".
 

Gatekeeper

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The fact that a lot of media opinion pieces in North America and Europe may be critical of the CCP does not mean that the local populations are brainwashed. Pro-CCP opinions can be easily accessed. There's no need to use a VPN or dodge some sort of state-imposed block. There's also no state-based punishment for agreeing with the CCP. Also, historically on issues like Taiwan there were actually a lot of pro-CCP opinions even in the mainstream media, largely because at the time the view was "better not annoy China, just pretend it's not an issue, don't sell arms because it's the wrong time", etc.

Bringing the discussion to the topic at hand (Hong Kong), it's important to remember that disagreeing with young Hong Kongese/the protesters doesn't mean they're incapable of rational thought. They have easy access to a much wider body of media than people in mainland China do. There are lots of pro-government TV stations, radio channels and newspapers in HK. Also, ironically, this upsurge in political awareness is partly down to the HK government pushing critical thinking classes years ago because they were worried about rote-based learning.

Brain wash through the media maybe too strong a word for it. But the whole essence of having a media (all media is state managed/control, including western ones), is too guide and influence public opinions so it is easier to guide the country's policy directions.

On Taiwan, you made it sound like it's China's fault that western MSM is doing it's best because it doesn't want to "annoy China, pretend it's not an issue, and not selling arms at the wrong time"! Gee, there are so much BS here, I don't know where to begin.

First of all, for every country having a diplomatic relationship with China does so freely. And they went in agreeing there's only one China! So therefore apart from a dozen countries, most of the world agrees there's only one China, and in doing so recognised China's sovereignty over Taiwan and as such should respect that country's sovereignty. This is an important point all MSM neglect to mention (by purpose). So It is not pretending is not an issue, it is , in fact complying it is an issue, and that is it is part of China.

And finally, this takes the biscuits. And goes to prove that you've been "brain-washed" into thinking all Chinese lacks critical thinking! I can tell you this is absolutely wrong! Being in education myself, I could easily say my A-levels students are all route learners. This is because they are after a quick fix. To past their exams with the least efforts. But it doesn't mean they lack critical thinking! So all these young thugs (That is who they are) didn't become thugs because they were able to critically analysis their situation and thought democracy is worth fighting for! Hell a route learners would do the same. You are also blinded (not sure if you could read chinese) by the facts that the education system was hijacked by radicals and litually brain wash young minds from 4 years upwards. Also text were changed to include opium war was Because British wanted to save Chinese from opium. And the Japanese were not invaders! Changing of history is not brain washing I don't know what is!

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Just how old is these rioters, so they even be out there fighting for "democracy" when they don't even have a right to vote!

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Is thus not propaganda? Don't shoot? Where do they think they are? America?

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Let's bring your child day, so he can get involved and maybe beat a cop or two? Is this not brain washing?

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In case you can't read Chinese, the caption says; still don't have fully grown hair down below! So tell me are they able to vote? Also full critical thinking achieved?

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More people of voting age, and full critical thinking achieved.

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However, these might be of voting age and reached full critical thinking age! Lol
 
So now this is a thread to aid in shouting down the opposition in other forums and threads.
Love the moral equivalency to... the actions of Four officers where face termination for their actions somehow is worse than the actions of thousands of Officers who enact official policy.

The police killing of George Floyd is just a latest exposed example of a persistent and widespread pattern of abuse, which have systemic roots in official policy and is only possible because significant segments of the authorities and society continue to abet such abuse.

The police crackdown in Hong Kong which have not resulted in death is against organized and potentially foreign sponsored terrorism constituting of organized and politically targeted rioting, personal assaults which have resulted in death, and destruction of public infrastructure and private property (see examples at this link from another post:
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Gatekeeper

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This just means that countries are more willing to make deals with China compared to the US, which usually comes with strings attached (human rights, transparency, western companies etc).

I'm sorry, I think you've been bought in by the often repeated lies of MSM. which leads you to believe USA have "strings attached" to deals like "human rights". This is the MSM telling their own populace. But in reality, there's no string attached. Look at saudies, turkey, India, and host of South America countries. I could go on. Trade deals and arms sales with absolutely no strings attached!
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Cherry picking at it’s finest.
Because as this is happening people have it so great in china pent house apartments, Lamborghini for everyone. No eviction of foreign nationals.... I love how some slam others with MSM in one breath then use it to back their claims in another.
 

vincent

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Cherry picking at it’s finest.
Because as this is happening people have it so great in china pent house apartments, Lamborghini for everyone. No eviction of foreign nationals.... I love how some slam others with MSM in one breath then use it to back their claims in another.

one shouldn’t throw stones in a glass house. How did the Shining City on a Hill treat migrants from Central/South America?
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Cherry picking at it’s finest.
Because as this is happening people have it so great in china pent house apartments, Lamborghini for everyone. No eviction of foreign nationals.... I love how some slam others with MSM in one breath then use it to back their claims in another.
What are you talking about here? Are we discussing wealth? I thought we were talking about police brutality. No cherry-picking is ever needed in that regard to paint the US in a poor light because America is known the world over for deadly police encounters. All the months of terrorism and riots in Hong Kong and I don't think the police killed anyone. 10% of that would have resulted in deadly police retaliation in the US. If you shot an arrow/stabbed in the neck/threw a brick or molotov at an American cop, would you expect to survive the next 5 minutes? No way in hell, and in America, it would be a given that you died of your own stupidity. In America, one is expected to behave perfectly and with immediate total submission in order to ensure ones own survival during a police encounter, while in China, you basically have to use lethal force against the police before they retaliate with lethal force; nothing less. It's an entirely different standard, and in a rare admission, I'll say that I like the US way better as that's how the terrorism in Hong Kong should have been dealt with from day one.
 
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