Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

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I.know it's not directly Hong Kong, but in order to have a full comprehensive understanding of the situation, we got to compare and contrast.

Here is the video showing Chinese soldiers being welcolm into Macao! I was in Hong Kong at the time of the handover, and I do not remember such welcoming! Yes, their were fireworks, streets were decorated. All the signs of celebration was there, but one thing was lacking and that was the enthusiasim, it just didn't feel the same as Macao.

Now we know why!

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vincent

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When I was growing up in Hong Kong living in those flats in west kowloon where a family of 6 living in a place no bigger than 14' x 14'. That's our beds, dinner, and living space. We don't have our own bathrooms or toilets, this is shared between all families in the same floor. (It's about 40 families) and this is where we get our drinking water, and take all our waste water, and washing. Etc!

And I remember experiencing draught! Where water was rationed, so we all have to queue ftom a SINGLE tap in the street of around 4 blocks of flats each. We are only allowed enough water that we can carry in a buckets. So my elder brothers and sisters each have two buckets each (other people have saucepans, etc.) And queue in the hot sun all day to get water. As I was too small to carry, I was made to queue with them, so when one of my brother got back, mum would come down and take my place! Oh, and China bale out Hong Kong with water.

The Hong Kong kids today don't know when they are born! This is why I get pretty upset watching them destroy the hard work of previous generations have built! Because they think the world in unfair!
Ya, my uncle had to line up to get tap water.
I have been to a few of my relatives' places in HK. Tiny tiny places. No privacy at all. Pretty sad state of affairs
 

Gatekeeper

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Ya, my uncle had to line up to get tap water.
I have been to a few of my relatives' places in HK. Tiny tiny places. No privacy at all. Pretty sad state of affairs

Yes, i take it your visit was recently? If so, they have demolished all the "first genration types of flat blocks". I try and visit my place of youth, and they were all gone around the year 2000s. At least I still got photos. (you can still see them on youtube. They also have schools on top of the flats.

Anyway, improved flats were built, and my aunty who was living couple of blocks away got re-house. And wow, I thought! There were seperate bedrooms (2), lounge/dinner and ......... own kitchen/shower room with own taps. Etc.
Don't get me wrong, the housing would still class as tiny and sub-standard in the UK or USA. But what an improvement!

So under the British, Hong Kong was still considered a "third" world economy. (yes, you heard it right, they did labeled it as "third" world), but through the hard work of the previous generations, and no thanks to the British. Hong Kong is now classed as a developed economy. (or first world as it was known then)!
 

KYli

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Posted by Emperor from CD about western media bias and obsession of China.
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How US media manufacture consent on Hong Kong

New study by an independent American watchdog finds major news groups disproportionately focus on city protests with a single-minded narrative while ignoring far more violent unrest in countries around the world

Alex Lo

It’s the year of violent protests around the world, but those in Hong Kong get all the attention from mainstream American media.

A comparative study by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (fair.org), an independent US media watchdog, of The New York Times and CNN makes for fascinating reading about their extraordinary focus on the city against three other countries.

There have been the “Yellow Vests” in France and Catalan protests in Spain. Then came violent clashes with protesters in Lebanon, Gaza, Chile, Ecuador, Haiti, Iran and Iraq. Those killed by security forces range from dozens and hundreds to thousands, according to independent rights groups.

But FAIR finds: “Yet US corporate media have been disproportionately interested in only one: the Hong Kong protests.”

Up to November 22, FAIR finds, “there have been 737 stories on the Hong Kong protests, 12 on Ecuador, 28 on Haiti and 36 on Chile.

“This enormous disparity cannot be explained by the other protests’ size or significance, nor the severity of the repression meted out by security services. No one has died at the hands of the Hong Kong security forces, although one protester died after falling from a building and a 70-year-old man was killed by a brick thrown by protesters.”

The study also observes: “Demonstrators in Hong Kong are almost universally referred to as ‘pro-democracy protesters’, whereas the protests rocking Chile were commonly denigrated as ‘riots’ or ‘looting and arson’.

“Likewise, the violence of the Ecuadorean protesters was constantly emphasised. The ‘wrath of labour and transport unions’,” CNN told us, was ‘unleashed’ as ‘violent protests have raged’ in Quito, and protesters held military members hostage.”

FAIR notes that US news media have routinely glossed over the more violent and grisly details of the Hong Kong protests to continue the simple narrative of lauding the “democracy-minded people of Hong Kong”, fighting for freedom.

“Negative language is rarely used with regards to Hong Kong protesters, even when it is arguably more applicable.

“In addition to widespread property damage … protesters recently doused another elderly man in flammable liquid and set fire to him on camera.

“The Times’ reporters describe seeing the rebels producing ‘hundreds or thousands of bombs’ they were going to use. Despite this, the paper continued to describe the militants as ‘pro-democracy activists’.”

Any nuance is out the window as those news reports present Hong Kong “in a lockstep single-mindedness that would impress any totalitarian propaganda system”, the study concludes.
 

MrCrazyBoyRavi

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/r/china subreddit need to be reclaimed. That's the first place people in reddit goes to get info about china and its basically a nesting ground of Sinophobic racist peoples. Not even a single thread about normal life in China. Its basically a dumping bag of all anti china post collected from all over internet.
 

Nutrient

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You have proven nothing
As I have said you are responsible for proving your case (that a majority of Hong Kong's people favor violence), as you were the one who started asserting it. You must back up what you say.

Every argument in your comment is full of holes.


My assertion is based upon the voting result which clearly showed the pan-Dems camp won the election. I interpreted the voting result as an indication that majority of Hong Kong people take the pan-Dems camp and the rioters side.
As I have repeatedly proven, that interpretation uses faulty logic.


The pan-Dems camp rallies have always outnumbered the pro-establishment rallies.
What does that have to do with whether a majority supports the violence?


One of the major TG groups in HK has 300,000 members to provide the rioters with the pinpoint location of the police.
How do you know all 300,000 are still active? Lots of people join Internet groups and then merely lurk.

Even the full 300,000 figure is still only 4% of Hong Kong's population -- nowhere near a majority.


Many polls show that 30% of the Hong Kong people are willing to support violent protests.
I would have to see the questions and the polling methods used. I'm sorry, the cockroaches' serious lack of honesty does not inspire my trust.

Besides, even 30% is not a majority.


As I said, your arguments are full of holes. You are not proving anything but your willingness to work quite hard on the cockroach side.
 

Jura

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now this is bizarre:

"Besides Reuters articles, the filtering has also blocked one or more stories from 97 other news providers that are available inside China on the Eikon system – including Xinhua, China’s official news agency. On December 3, Refinitiv blocked a Xinhua story about a small demonstration in Hong Kong by pro-Beijing residents."

according to
Hong Kong protest reports: Refinitiv created filter to keep Reuters stories about unrest from mainland Chinese customers
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perhaps people should read my Xinhua reposts, LOL!

EDIT
I've now checked to see only the SCMP story on that event, LOL unfortunately not inside-China-blocked Xinhua story:
Dec 3, 2019
from inside of
Pro-Beijing supporters turn up at Hong Kong’s lunchtime protests, stepping on US flag and pictures of Donald Trump
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KYli

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As I have said you are responsible for proving your case (that a majority of Hong Kong's people favor violence), as you were the one who started asserting it. You must back up what you say.

Every argument in your comment is full of holes.
I said majority of HK people support rioters or at least take the rioters side. Why you keep trying to change my words? You keep claiming my assertion is wrong but you can't provide any evidence to back up what you said. When your evidence is refuted, instead of engaged in a civilized debate you chose to keep repeating irrelevant statement.

I made my assertion and already provided my evidence and explanation. If you chose to not agree with me, it is fine. I don't need you to agree with me. I simply don't care what you think. It is an open forum. I believe that I have presented my case and you think not. That's your problem not mine.




What does that have to do with whether a majority supports the violence?
The pan Dems camp supports the rioters. Those major pro-Dems rallies have been used to embolden the rioters to continue the violent protests. You think it has nothing to do with the rioters. I think it has everything to do with the rioters.



How do you know all 300,000 are still active? Lots of people join Internet groups and then merely lurk.

Even the full 300,000 figure is still only 4% of Hong Kong's population -- nowhere near a majority.
We are talking about 300,000 people joined a TG group to provide pinpoint location of the police. 300,000 people joining to assist the rioters and help them to avoid the police. Even if some are not active, these people are still willing to spend the time to join and to answer stupid questions to become a member.

Again, statement like 300,000 people is not majority only makes you look bad.


I would have to see the questions and the polling methods used. I'm sorry, the cockroaches' serious lack of honesty does not inspire my trust.

Besides, even 30% is not a majority.
It is polls conduct as requests by pro-Beijing supporters.

First, I said that majority of the HKers support the rioters not the majority of the HKers support violence. Second, if it is true that 30% of the HKers support violence as a mean of protests, then it already proved HK is beyond help.

As I said, your arguments are full of holes. You are not proving anything but your willingness to work quite hard on the cockroach side.
And you can't even refute my full of holes arguments. I don't care"what you think of me." Labeled me would not get you anywhere or strengthen your arguments.
 

Xsizor

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Never be like the ostrich - putting your heads under the sand. Closing one's ears and eyes and screaming "lalala" won't make things go away. Accepting that a silent majority doesn't exist and that close to 60 % or more Hong Kongers are pro-rioters is a big step towards viewing and analysing the effects of the protest on China's as well as HK's future. I agree with @KYli on this.
 

solarz

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Never be like the ostrich - putting your heads under the sand. Closing one's ears and eyes and screaming "lalala" won't make things go away. Accepting that a silent majority doesn't exist and that close to 60 % or more Hong Kongers are pro-rioters is a big step towards viewing and analysing the effects of the protest on China's as well as HK's future. I agree with @KYli on this.
As much as I hate to say it, the HK election result has been quite liberating for me. As you probably know from my posts in this thread, I was a fervent advocator of Central Government intervention to quell the riots. I felt that the citizens of HK were living under the white terror of the rioters, and that the Central Government had the duty to step in and protect its citizens. The fact that the Central Government was not taking any actions left me feeling angry and frustrated.

The last election result, however, showed that the Central Government was right in its inaction. The people of HK, apparently, are perfectly happy living with riots, vandalism, and acts of violence and intimidation. They have made their choice known, so there is no longer any reason for me to care about their fate. Any rational mind can see the direction HK is heading toward, and if the HKers themselves refuse to see, or simply do not care, who am I to say otherwise?

Enjoy your anarchy, HK!
 
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