Hong-Kong Protests


Deino

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@Sergey ... first of all hello, but I must admit I'm a little bit concerned about what and how you post.

First of all please read the rules, avoid posting any political, and even more provocative content - as You did in the Hong Kong thread - and second please post in English.

Russian is not allowed as long as not a translation is given.

Otherwise this will be rated as trolling and will result in a permanent ban.
 

Nutrient

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But you haven't provided anything to backup your arguments except your "observation".
You made the initial assertion, you must prove it. Just to be clear, I object to the following assertion:

The problem is not about the votes. The problem is that the HK people have spoken. And they are supporting the rioters which gave the rioters legitimacy. That would embolden and encourage the rioters to take extreme measures. Either the central government caves or they would face months or even years of unrest in HK.
(Emphasis added.) Of course, saying that "the HK people have spoken. And they are supporting the rioters" is equivalent to asserting that a majority of HK's people are supporting the rioters.

You have yet to prove that assertion. Your best argument (citing the recent election) was full of holes, as I have proven. Your assertion is important to the cockroaches' case; as you apparently are willing to argue endlessly in their favor, it is vital that you back up what you say.


Not biggest rally but still one of the biggest rallies which proved you are wrong.
The Dec. 8 rally proved that 97% of Hong Kong's population didn't attend it.


So you think the 97% who didn't participate on Dec 8, meaning the 97% don't support the rioters. I have not much to say but good luck with this new "observation".
No, I am saying that you'll have trouble distorting the 97% absentee rate as evidence that a majority of Hong Kong's population is supporting the cockroaches.
 
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Nutrient

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China’s most important defense in HK is not the military base on land but the navy. If a heavily armed terror group arises, the navy could park ships into the Bay Area and there’s nothing anyone can do to dislodge them.
Yes. Perhaps this is related to China's recent ban on visits to Hong Kong by US Navy ships: China wants to make it harder for the U.S. to sneak some weapons to the cockroaches. Of course, the Western media is spinning the ban as China having a snit about the passing of recent cockroach-friendly legislation in the U.S. But I think the weapons smuggling aspect was the point. (Of course, the CIA can still stuff weapons into shipping containers, but that is nothing compared to what a Navy ship can bring.)


Remeber HK doesn’t pay central government tax, so anything bad that happens to their economy would only affect them.
Good point.
 

Xsizor

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Yes. Perhaps this is related to China's recent ban on visits to Hong Kong by US Navy ships: China wants to make it harder for the U.S. to sneak some weapons to the cockroaches. Of course, the Western media is spinning the ban as China having a snit about the passing of recent cockroach-friendly legislation in the U.S. But I think the weapons smuggling aspect was the point. (Of course, the CIA can still stuff weapons into shipping containers, but that is nothing compared to what a Navy ship can bring.)




Good point.
I think you might be pushing it a little bit when you allege that the US plans to smuggle in weapons using its Navy. I don't think US would do that. I would think US is run by fools IF it ever planned to do something that could potentially do a massive one to destroy its image among Asians in the region. That's the last thing anyone with a strong soft power would want.
Basically, US wouldn't do that. Navies don't smuggle weapons. They attack other navies. Smuggling weapons for political turmoil and regime changes are done by the Intelligentsia. CIA and the like.

Western Media isn't trusted by Westerners even.To western audience, It's all fake news. As I pointed out months ago- People will believe what they want to believe. China will never be liked by the west even if the Media Spin machines did a massive "Love-China" parade all of a sudden.

The legislation is bound to happen. Not even a trade deal would stop that. It is simply ideological. HK unrest isn't new. The legislations aren't new. Xinjiang and Tibet bills aren't new. America's issues with anything that involves Communism isn't new. America's issues with any culture that isn't them isn't new.
 

KYli

Junior Member
You made the initial assertion, you must prove it. Just to be clear, I object to the following assertion:

(Emphasis added.) Of course, saying that "the HK people have spoken. And they are supporting the rioters" is equivalent to asserting that a majority of HK's people are supporting the rioters.

You have yet to prove that assertion. Your best argument (citing the recent election) was full of holes, as I have proven. Your assertion is important to the cockroaches' case; as you apparently are willing to argue endlessly in their favor, it is vital that you back up what you say.
My assertion is based upon the voting result which clearly showed the pan-Dems camp won the election. I interpreted the voting result as an indication that majority of Hong Kong people take the pan-Dems camp and the rioters side. The pan-Dems camp rallies have always outnumbered the pro-establishment rallies. One of the major TG groups in HK has 300,000 members to provide the rioters with the pinpoint location of the police. Many polls show that 30% of the Hong Kong people are willing to support violent protests. I have provided enough information to support my assertion. If you chose not to believe it, that is your problem not mine.

You have proven nothing and your only evidence is an "observation" which has been refuted by the recent rally. If you think saying the rioters have popular support is equal to supporting the rioters, that is your problem. I am not going to hide my head in the sand. I think not hiding in the sand is the only way to fight the rioters.


The Dec. 8 rally proved that 97% of Hong Kong's population didn't attend it.

No, I am saying that you'll have trouble distorting the 97% absentee rate as evidence that a majority of Hong Kong's population is supporting the cockroaches.
Let me ask you. A recent pro-Beijing rally, there are only a few thousands attendees. If go by your logic, are you saying all 7.5 millions of Hong Kongers who didn't attend are anti-Beijing.
 

Gatekeeper

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You mentioned Xinjiang camps, but that's a strawman argument.
It's worse than strawman! People using this as a made up narratives in the debate actually believe these places exist as kind of 1984 Orwellian vision of nightmare In their head!

Whereas under closer analysis. These places are no different to the ANTI-RADICALISATION programs that is now and always have been waged, in their own country's prison, education, and other public institutions! Yet these people sees it as for the greater good, etc. Whereas in China, it is anti-freedom, and human rights violations!

Only this week, I've had to undergo ANTI-RADICALISATION training, where I've been shown how to look out for the "worrying signs" of radicalisation. Etc with instructions of who to report to. Etc. Now, if I was to tell you I'm living in Xinjing, the western MSM would have a field day using this as another example of BIG BROTHER in big bad China is watching you, blah blah. And it's so typical of the communists of China!

But alas, No! All these happened in their beloved western democracy loving country. So it's perfectly acceptable then!
 

Gatekeeper

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My uncle who lived in HK in the 70's had to save up tap water because it was only available a few days a week.
When I was growing up in Hong Kong living in those flats in west kowloon where a family of 6 living in a place no bigger than 14' x 14'. That's our beds, dinner, and living space. We don't have our own bathrooms or toilets, this is shared between all families in the same floor. (It's about 40 families) and this is where we get our drinking water, and take all our waste water, and washing. Etc!

And I remember experiencing draught! Where water was rationed, so we all have to queue ftom a SINGLE tap in the street of around 4 blocks of flats each. We are only allowed enough water that we can carry in a buckets. So my elder brothers and sisters each have two buckets each (other people have saucepans, etc.) And queue in the hot sun all day to get water. As I was too small to carry, I was made to queue with them, so when one of my brother got back, mum would come down and take my place! Oh, and China bale out Hong Kong with water.

The Hong Kong kids today don't know when they are born! This is why I get pretty upset watching them destroy the hard work of previous generations have built! Because they think the world in unfair!
 

Gatekeeper

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It is true that the British never really cared about Hong Kong. But the successes of HK are due to circumstances such as China was isolated back then and many wealthy businessmen or elites in China were fleeing China due to WWII, Civic War, or Cultural Revolution.
The cold hard truth is this! The British never wanted Hong Kong because of the people, it wanted Hong Kong because it's a place to PROFIT from, and was use as their base to do business, well I said business in a loose sense. It is in fact, a base to use as drug traffickers!
 

Gatekeeper

Captain
Registered Member
It's worse than strawman! People using this as a made up narratives in the debate actually believe these places exist as kind of 1984 Orwellian vision of nightmare In their head!

Whereas under closer analysis. These places are no different to the ANTI-RADICALISATION programs that is now and always have been waged, in their own country's prison, education, and other public institutions! Yet these people sees it as for the greater good, etc. Whereas in China, it is anti-freedom, and human rights violations!

Only this week, I've had to undergo ANTI-RADICALISATION training, where I've been shown how to look out for the "worrying signs" of radicalisation. Etc with instructions of who to report to. Etc. Now, if I was to tell you I'm living in Xinjing, the western MSM would have a field day using this as another example of BIG BROTHER in big bad China is watching you, blah blah. And it's so typical of the communists of China!

But alas, No! All these happened in their beloved western democracy loving country. So it's perfectly acceptable then!
This is the kind of propaganda relating to xinjing China have to put up with!

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