Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Bellum_Romanum

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I agree that Chinese citizens demand tough actions on Taiwan, but are these one-child families REALLY prepared to lose their children for national unification? Do they even understand the consequences of a great power war and be prepared to lose everything in order to achieve national unification? This is very different from getting high watching Wolf Warrior 2.
Your charge and questions equally apply to all the nations that wants to wage a war against China. You make it sound like countries that will be involved in such monumental task against a determined foe in China will not lament losing their own children even if they have bore more than 1 child. Losing sons are painful regardless of culture and country.

Worst of all Japan, Taiwan have smaller population than China and an even worst child production capacities. The same can be said to that of the U.S. especially when the white majority demographics an ethnic group that largely make up the U.S. military will become a minority race in 2050, and the war against China will hasten that process for them pretty f..ng quickly.

For every deficit you charge against China equally if not applies to the countries against her disproportionately. Only India maybe able to escape the demographics worry since they make babies like there's no worries.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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So what? China also has similar capabilities to strike back at the US. Plus these "command systems" you speak off are not connected with the internet which makes it far more difficult to attack them


"Tons of dams" better check out how difficult is for dams to get destroyed. Plus, if all these missiles manage to hit the interior of China so much then it means that the war would be already half-lost (western dreams)



Reactors are missile/airplane hardened. And if attacked, China would directly threaten to use nuclear weapons against Taiwan/US if Taiwan doesn't surrender. This is called as a red-line in diplomacy, and no one will rush to defend Taiwan against China if it had really tried to bomb nuclear reactors


You wat? China is a lot more smarter than you give it credit for


Hahaha. Taiwanese people fighting lol. It seems you dont know a lot about them. The moment they see the PLA, they will surrender immediately. They are the biggest cowards I have ever known, rivalled only by the Japanese



Fake news. The moment Taiwan falls, China will have its foot on Japan's neck. Plus it will be able to break off from the 1st island chain constraints. Finally it would also be able to become much less restrained in dealing with ASEAN and finally start kicking out US influence from there

There also a dozen other benefits. So what you said about "nobody wins" is wrong



India is already hostile. Same for Japan (it will change its mind after Taiwan falls though...). S.Korea will do nothing.

White nations are already most of them hostile to China. Who cares about a couple more puppets added against it?

In addition, by that time China would be far more powerful than today, and it would be easy to cripple them economically in case they tried to do something





Are you dreaming again? What "enormous civilian casualties" are you talking about?



Chinese citizens demand is about reunification with Taiwan. In case you haven't noticed, it is actually the public that it more demanding and more assertive towards reunification with Taiwan. As time passes, this public voice is getting harder and harder to ignore by the Gov (Gov prefers to be more low-key)

The West must be very thankful to the CPC that it is keeping down the hard-left. If those guys were in power, then lol. Next day there would be war
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Bob Smith

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I agree that Chinese citizens demand tough actions on Taiwan, but are these one-child families REALLY prepared to lose their children for national unification? Do they even understand the consequences of a great power war and be prepared to lose everything in order to achieve national unification? This is very different from getting high watching Wolf Warrior 2.
Is America willing to risk everything for an island thousands of miles away or do you think China is Iraq and America won't be affected in any way?
 

ZeEa5KPul

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In other words, they still think this is the 19th century and they can dictate trade terms to China.

"You give us silver and tea, and we'll give you opium."
You know what, they're exactly right; China is going to use its industrial policies to reduce them to soybean farmers. Question is, what can they do about it? Answer: (1) Nothing. (2) Like it.
 

AssassinsMace

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What if the US Cyber Commands launches bunch to worms against China's command systems and grids before China could strike against US bases? What if several of Taiwan's HF-2Es, Yunfeng, and USN's Tomahawks manage to penetrate China's air defenses and blow up tons of dams in China? Worse, what if Taiwan decides to lob several standoff missiles at Fujian's nuclear power plants, and one of those just happen to make it through and punch a hole on one of Ningde Plant's reactors? Do you respond with nukes then?

I don't know about the so-called genocide, but I am willing to speculate that if the Taiwanese public does not surrender unconditionally after the war break out, expect some forms mass killings and destruction of Taiwanese indigenous culture (especially those used to promote Taiwanese otherness) unseen since the Cultural Revolution. For example, if the PLA were to be charged by bunch of mobs armed with T-91/T-65 rifles, do you really expect them not to fight back? The PLA is not bunch of baby sitters. Such political violence - inhumane as they sound - could also be used as a deterrent against pro-independence forces in Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and Tibet. As the Chinese always love to say, kill a chicken to scare the monkey. In the end, nobody wins should a war break out over the Taiwan Strait. Beijing would also be a loser for being treated as a pariah state at least by all the white nations (maybe except Russia) plus India, Japan, and South Korea after the war.

What I am trying to say is that China is badly prepared to go to war right now. It takes time to stockpile arms. Also, I don't how China is going to manage the enormous civilian casualties this war could bring about. Keep in mind that Chinese citizens have high expectations for their government looking after them. Given such sense of entitlement, they could easily blame their unintended suffering on the government not doing enough to look after them.
Oh China can do the same...
 

winword

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What if the US Cyber Commands launches bunch to worms against China's command systems and grids before China could strike against US bases? What if several of Taiwan's HF-2Es, Yunfeng, and USN's Tomahawks manage to penetrate China's air defenses and blow up tons of dams in China? Worse, what if Taiwan decides to lob several standoff missiles at Fujian's nuclear power plants, and one of those just happen to make it through and punch a hole on one of Ningde Plant's reactors? Do you respond with nukes then?

I don't know about the so-called genocide, but I am willing to speculate that if the Taiwanese public does not surrender unconditionally after the war break out, expect some forms mass killings and destruction of Taiwanese indigenous culture (especially those used to promote Taiwanese otherness) unseen since the Cultural Revolution. For example, if the PLA were to be charged by bunch of mobs armed with T-91/T-65 rifles, do you really expect them not to fight back? The PLA is not bunch of baby sitters. Such political violence - inhumane as they sound - could also be used as a deterrent against pro-independence forces in Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and Tibet. As the Chinese always love to say, kill a chicken to scare the monkey. In the end, nobody wins should a war break out over the Taiwan Strait. Beijing would also be a loser for being treated as a pariah state at least by all the white nations (maybe except Russia) plus India, Japan, and South Korea after the war.

What I am trying to say is that China is badly prepared to go to war right now. It takes time to stockpile arms. Also, I don't how China is going to manage the enormous civilian casualties this war could bring about. Keep in mind that Chinese citizens have high expectations for their government looking after them. Given such sense of entitlement, they could easily blame their unintended suffering on the government not doing enough to look after them.
This shows that you know nothing about PLA.
 

Laviduce

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In other words, they still think this is the 19th century and they can dictate trade terms to China.

"You give us silver and tea, and we'll give you opium."
The title of this US propaganda hit piece should "US and US vassal states want China to fall into line, continue to be the factory of the world, and become subservient to the Neocon/Neolib US and shut up"
 
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