Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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ChongqingHotPot92

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Yes, that is the problem
Anti-China rethoric is one of the best glue that sticks Americans together, without " common enemy " they will devide.
Trump knew that, now Biden is aware too.
Well, playing the "China threat" card to enhance domestic unity definitely work, as least for now. However, give the fact that folks who refuse to be vaccinated are in the process of contributing to the third COVID wave in the United States, I don't know how long this "anti-China" unity we see right now could be sustained, especially if the economy does not pick up in the next 2-3 years. Also, Wall Street and major US firms have vested interests (including a number of US defense contractors like Boeing) in sustaining trade with China, so a significant number of big monies in America do not want to see a full unraveling of US-China Relations. As Secretary of State Blinken said, Washington hopes to engage China from a position of strength, but currently it does not have it (and COVID-induced economic woes, along with those who refuse to be vaccinated or spread conspiracy theories, are not helping).
 

Agnus

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Well, playing the "China threat" card to enhance domestic unity definitely work, as least for now. However, give the fact that folks who refuse to be vaccinated are in the process of contributing to the third COVID wave in the United States, I don't know how long this "anti-China" unity we see right now could be sustained, especially if the economy does not pick up in the next 2-3 years. Also, Wall Street and major US firms have vested interests (including a number of US defense contractors like Boeing) in sustaining trade with China, so a significant number of big monies in America do not want to see a full unraveling of US-China Relations. As Secretary of State Blinken said, Washington hopes to engage China from a position of strength, but currently it does not have it (and COVID-induced economic woes, along with those who refuse to be vaccinated or spread conspiracy theories, are not helping).
When the balance of power completely shifts in China's favor in the western pacific , the US is gonna be the most enthusiastic supporter of the ''One China'' policy to keep the mainland from taking Taiwan. Mark my words....................
 

Hendrik_2000

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Now this is embarrassing after RE the made in USA drone is 14 time more expensive and 95% less effective

New: US camera drones made without China parts 95% less effective​

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The US military has banned the use of Chinese drones, but their replacements are much more expensive and much less effective, Boom Bust co-host Ben Swann reports. Former Naval Intelligence officer John Jordan gives us his take on this as well as the slew of US military exercises aimed to irk China.

 

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New: US camera drones made without China parts 95% less effective​

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Jul 19, 2021


The US military has banned the use of Chinese drones, but their replacements are much more expensive and much less effective, Boom Bust co-host Ben Swann reports. Former Naval Intelligence officer John Jordan gives us his take on this as well as the slew of US military exercises aimed to irk China.

Apparently they have mentioned recently that the USA and Australia where doing military drills while being surveyed by China, meaning that what ever moves the west is planning is going to be long telegraph in advanced. Somehow I get the feeling that if the US tech is this lagging in something like this, in a real war, just what kind of weapons does China have hidden. Since australia as a whole have zero knowledge of what they are dealing with (I know since I have to actually dig to find info since the media doesn’t report on it), I get the feeling that in a real fight, australia performance will be very similar to its performance in Gallipoli, basically dying like idiots. Only this time, they have an opposition that can actually strike the capital and are willing to go the whole hog (which will figuratively and literally break the Aussie leadership and people in one blow). This is however Australia’s first move since in relation to geopolitical fights, they always had the USA to fall back on and they always acted first brazenly but for how much longer this time round and will this ensure that someone finally actually hits a target worth anything so people can finally wake up and stop listening to Rupert Murdoch, we will have to see but given this is China we are talking about and how if angered greatly enough, are capable of things no nation can dream of, Australia’s loss is all certain given how utterly unprepared for a fight australia truly is. True australia has never really been invaded before but it is rather for a lack of trying rather then being actually strong in a fight not to mention the sheer differences in arsenal is going to make this that lopsided.
 

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Well, playing the "China threat" card to enhance domestic unity definitely work, as least for now. However, give the fact that folks who refuse to be vaccinated are in the process of contributing to the third COVID wave in the United States, I don't know how long this "anti-China" unity we see right now could be sustained, especially if the economy does not pick up in the next 2-3 years. Also, Wall Street and major US firms have vested interests (including a number of US defense contractors like Boeing) in sustaining trade with China, so a significant number of big monies in America do not want to see a full unraveling of US-China Relations. As Secretary of State Blinken said, Washington hopes to engage China from a position of strength, but currently it does not have it (and COVID-induced economic woes, along with those who refuse to be vaccinated or spread conspiracy theories, are not helping).

The US economy should be roaring along for the next 2 years, given the amount of money pumped in.

Of course, there are long term consequences to run huge budget deficits, but they won't appear for 5+ years.

From my perspective, the US is roughly equal to the US in most respects.
 

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So basically this article says that the US is winning and China has not clue how to handle it

I'm really not sure how China could have handled it. The US has a much more powerful propaganda network, more powerful vassal states internationally, overall a much stronger starting position. I really feel that no matter how China managed its foreign policy, it would be in the relatively same position.

This article interviews different Chinese political scientists who all say China is not able to perform diplomatically but none detailed what they think China should do. I mean what can China do? Capitulate to the US? The US seeks thr collapse of China. Give the US an arm and they ask for the head. I dont think there is a compromise to be made. If there is one, it would be so skewed against china that the CPC would be overthrown.

The way I see it, China needs to beef up its news network CTGN to be much more like (dare I say it) fox news and other MSM to drive a narrative and get people watching it more. otherwise they can only keep powering forward and invest in research, improve domestic purchasing power and technology level. That's what this entire conflict is about, technology. Otherwise I haven't seen any other viable suggestions made by those interviewed in the article.
 

j17wang

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So basically this article says that the US is winning and China has not clue how to handle it

I'm really not sure how China could have handled it. The US has a much more powerful propaganda network, more powerful vassal states internationally, overall a much stronger starting position. I really feel that no matter how China managed its foreign policy, it would be in the relatively same position.

This article interviews different Chinese political scientists who all say China is not able to perform diplomatically but none detailed what they think China should do. I mean what can China do? Capitulate to the US? The US seeks thr collapse of China. Give the US an arm and they ask for the head. I dont think there is a compromise to be made. If there is one, it would be so skewed against china that the CPC would be overthrown.

The way I see it, China needs to beef up its news network CTGN to be much more like (dare I say it) fox news and other MSM to drive a narrative and get people watching it more. otherwise they can only keep powering forward and invest in research, improve domestic purchasing power and technology level. That's what this entire conflict is about, technology. Otherwise I haven't seen any other viable suggestions made by those interviewed in the article.

America has an advantage in controlling the english narrative. China needs to fight defensively in the anglosphere, and go full offensive in the latin and middle east sphere. We can't capitulate, or we will die. Better to go out fighting if it comes to it.

The good thing is China isn't alone. America's enemies + Chinese allies (Russia, China, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Bolivia, Pakistan, Peru, Turkey). America literally quadrupled the population of its adversaries overnight when it decided to fuck with China. You can sanction smaller countries individually, but now this is a gargantuan block of close to 2 billion people. China is now going to fully support those countries against American sanctions. These countries can all mutually reinforce and "sanction bust" against each other.

America's allies aren't willing to become adversaries with the entire bloc.
 

bajingan

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So basically this article says that the US is winning and China has not clue how to handle it

I'm really not sure how China could have handled it. The US has a much more powerful propaganda network, more powerful vassal states internationally, overall a much stronger starting position. I really feel that no matter how China managed its foreign policy, it would be in the relatively same position.

This article interviews different Chinese political scientists who all say China is not able to perform diplomatically but none detailed what they think China should do. I mean what can China do? Capitulate to the US? The US seeks thr collapse of China. Give the US an arm and they ask for the head. I dont think there is a compromise to be made. If there is one, it would be so skewed against china that the CPC would be overthrown.

The way I see it, China needs to beef up its news network CTGN to be much more like (dare I say it) fox news and other MSM to drive a narrative and get people watching it more. otherwise they can only keep powering forward and invest in research, improve domestic purchasing power and technology level. That's what this entire conflict is about, technology. Otherwise I haven't seen any other viable suggestions made by those interviewed in the article.
The only thing that the us seems to be winning is the propaganda war, which is to be expected given that america controls most western media

Did the us win the economic war? No, China economy still grows 7.9% , trade surplus still rose to $31.78 billion in May, up from $28.11 billion in April
Even american propaganda war on Xinjiang is failing, only american vassals supports Uyghur genocide fake news, no muslim countries (the only countries that matter) support american accusation of Uyghur genocide, when you have even the taliban refused to talk about Uyghurs that shows how bad american propaganda failure outside of its vassal states
There is a member here who explained perfectly, the counter to american economic and tech war is The Dual Circulation to achieve the following :

1. Climb the value chain ladder, especially for domestic high-tech manufacturing and aim for the global market for such products e.g planes, chips, AI softwares, telco equip. Firms are pushed to venture into sectors without a regard as to whether the us place a sanction on them, aiming for 100% domestic replacement rate.

2. Establish her market as the most dominate consumer market in the world(This would require high domestic saving rate, something they have prepared for decades).
 

Topazchen

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I feel that Biden has overplayed his intentions and shown his anti China cards too early in his administration.
China's leadership will thus engage him with no illusions and will continue to invest in tech independence to break the choke points.
By 2025 when a new Trump or Pompeo takes power, China will have an advanced independent unsactionable tech sector and the economy will be close to 90% of America's.
The little leverage the US has over China today will have disappeared.
 

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