Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Bellum_Romanum

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This is actually a sad example of why the U.S. originally wanted to be friends with China and cultivated its rise, or at the very least that China had friends in the U.S. The author Ikenson is a well known expert in the U.S. and he has been arguing China friendly policies for decades. He even helped lobby the U.S. to let China into the WTO. In the 2000s he wrote articles arguing that the U.S. shouldn't do a trade war with China and that trade was good. In the 2010s he argued that the U.S. shouldn't cite China for currency manipulation. He always argued the pro-China position in those days no matter what the debate was in the U.S.

Here is his article from 2006 about a visit to China. Very heartwarming:
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The fact that he has turned into a hawk now is a sad example of how China due to its more hardline turn under Xi Jinping made America more hostile to it. It was NOT inevitable at all. Like I said, I have lived in the U.S. for 30 years and Americans are a nice, kindhearted people. They are just disappointed that China turned hardline after Xi, instead of giving its people more rights and freedoms.
What the heck do you mean by giving it more "rights and freedom" according to whom? There was no such promises made by the CPC leadership then, during the interim between Pres.Zhang Zemin or Pres. Hu Jintao. The joining of China into the W.T.O. was not on a pre condition that China as it's economic rise progresses that it must adapt certain key aspects that U.S. wants China to have.

With all due respect that's just a bunch of hooey. China succeeded because of CPC leadership and planning. Pres.Xi Jinping is being used as this reason detrè or catalyst for the change in policy by the west led by U.S. towards China is not only insulting but lacks any credible evidence to back up such unfortunate charge .

Whether it's Pres.Xi or God forbid Bo Xilai or anyone else that became the leader of China in 2012 the current change of policies by the U.S. would have remained and unchanged. The notion that only if China did this or did what the U.S. asked them to do that all of the challenges that's manifesting would have not existed is not supported by facts and history. In my opinion the mere idea that a sovereign country like China must kowtow or bend the knee to the U.S. to keep the peace and bow down it's head and not be ambitious to seek and carve it's own unique place in the world is pretty insulting.

The Chinese people in China have worked so darn hard and endured a lot of pain and challenges to get to where it is today not because of the U.S. benevolence. The achievements and the economic successes must be given to the country's leadership, the CPC party and the people of the country that continued it's belief in their system. The changes that the country made was never etched in stone to work nor it's affiliation with the U.S. or the W.T.O. membership. If that was the sole criterion of economic success then I supposed India should be where China is and China should be where India is right now with worsening internal strife, the worst hunger in the world, politics that don't seem to work and incompetence on many levels etc..
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Cato is one of the most dovish think tanks. Not only has it pushed consistently pro-China positions in U.S. debate, it also opposed the first Gulf War (a position which caused the organization to lose nearly $1 million in funding), opposed the U.S. Haiti and Kosovo attacks (which resulted in the Chinese embassy being bombed), opposed George W. Bush's Iraq War II, and opposed President Barack Obama's attack on Libya.

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Why don't you present us this American benevolence you speak so highly and fondly of that they have done for China. I mean there's a quote that's been attributed to an American politician which said: "In politics/geopolitics there are no permanent friends or permanent enemies, only permanent interests."

So the idea that America helped China because of it's benevolence flies at every piece of geopolitical actions that America has ever committed in the entire history of that country.

Your comment came across like it came off naive and ig...t of histories of U.S. - China relations beginning in the late 18th century all the way to it's involvement in the country's Civil War, the Korean War, Vietnam War, internal meddling in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, and the current techno-economic War.
 

horse

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Got to give President Trump credit, because he always referred to Xi Jinping as President Xi, and always called Lui He by his name Lui He.

The current guy don't the name of anybody, including the people he appointed.

We can bet President Trump is not like that. No sir, no way.

He will remember the names. He knows who are all those individuals he recently pardoned.

Now they owe him a favour, big time!

:oops:
 

localizer

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Got to give President Trump credit, because he always referred to Xi Jinping as President Xi, and always called Lui He by his name Lui He.

The current guy don't the name of anybody, including the people he appointed.

We can bet President Trump is not like that. No sir, no way.

He will remember the names. He knows who are all those individuals he recently pardoned.

Now they owe him a favour, big time!

:oops:
Liú Hè

dotard had his moments
 

ansy1968

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It's clear he never wanted this job. Nor did Trump.


It's also clear he won because of dislike for Trump.
@localizer do you think he will be replace before the end of his term, I think the power brokers will have the last say and I'm worried with competing interest the US may descent to chaos and may pull all of us with it. :(
 

Kaeshmiri

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They guy got dementia, its getting more likely he is one term president
He wont finish this term with the way his dementia his worsening. Have you seen how actively Kamal Harris is running the administration? She's the one who's interacting with most foreign leaders. Biden hasn't even had a press conference yet, i wonder why. Trump with all his flaws at least faced the media every week.
 
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