“The US doesn’t have allies??” The US has prob created the best alliance system the world has ever seen. The US is not about to collapse. It may be on the decline. But this kind of decline will be slow and gradual.
Russia is perhaps china’s strongest potential ally.
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@Petrolicious88 On the contraire it bankrupt the US, only the Anglo saxon world of 5 eyes you may see an alliance but is insignificant. Without the US it will crumpled, that is why at present the US had the means but no leadership to lead it. I never expect to see in my life time the US willingly destroying itself politically, diplomatically and economical, It's imploding and many were questioning its role cause from being a stabilizer it had become an agitator. And it is becoming comical, being exceptional doesn't imply that you destroy the institution you built midway if things doesn't go your way. That is like a child having a temper tantrum.
An alliance of convenience, only in the English speaking world of 5 eyes you may see an Alliance. Japan and SK ,well holding a gun on their heads doesn't constitute one is it.
I will call it friendship like that of Pakistan, friendship define as co-equal no imposing power heading it and with Iran in the mix they control the whole EURASIA region.
No, honestly they don't because if they did, they would have already cut off all contact with China and would have happily started a war right now in the place of the USA and ultimately have to put up with deals being changed depending on election cycle like with NAFTA without a fuss. Also to note is that if they are on a gradual decline,then how come Texas experienced a massive snow storm that devastated there electric grid, the capital is occupied by national guard troops and why on earth is Biden bending over for Biden yet again while starting yet another bombing binge in Syria while continuing to rip into China over vaccines while doing everything they can to stockpile vaccines at the expense of other nations. All this while there stock market is going haywire right now with how disconnected it is with reality (I mean stock market up, main street down with all the bankruptcies right now). This isn't a gradual decline, this is an accelerated decline over time that only requires a few more black swans to arise that will unleash pandora's box.
The alliance's with the USA is on truly shaky ground that none of these allies will want to help the USA recover in the even of a mass civil unrest simply because it is too much trouble for little in return as really the USA has been a major economic burden to these nations because heck, other nations used to have a decent trading relations with China until Trump opened his trap and acted like a whiny baby that wants everything to go his way. For the betterment of these so call five eye nations, the USA is better off gone (as in mad max gone) so that it can enable other nations to form meaningful relationships without any input from Washington and hopefully get the world back on track because the last couple of decades of US leadership is washed with blood.
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Having Russia, Pakistan, Iran, and North Korea as allies more than sufficient. Combined power of Russia, Pakistan, Iran, and North Korea can provide a reasonable counterweight against Europe. China can provide a reasonable counter against stand-alone Canada + US + Australia. The total value of China and its allies GDP will likely be around 30% global GDP. America and its allies are around 40-50% GDP. So long as China can keep at least 20% of the world neutral (i.e. Latin America, Africa, Middle east, parts of SEA), the American alliance system wont have the dominance to invade the SCO superphere. Geopolitical realists know that just because an American allliance is greater in size than the chinese one, you can't expect to win an offensive war against another continental superpower without an overwhelming advantage.
I think China's efforts should be to keep the majority of LATAM, Africa, ME, and SEA neutral so it can continue developing technologies and trading relationships. China doesn't need to do alot of work to maintain its relationships with Russia, Pakistan, Iran, and NK because those are countries that the US is looking to actively overthrow the governments, whearas the US has basically given up on that for China.
There is a debate over whether or not China should still attempt to build some type of relationship with US allied countries. I am all for it in Europe which also seeks strategic autonomy against the US. I'm not of the belief any sort of relationship should be maintained with US, Canada, Australia as we already see the governments legitimizing the use of violence against people like myself and other overseas chinese on sinodefense. In fact, I would say China has a moral obligation to eventually break off all diplomatic and economic relations with the five eyes over the long term, as the survival of the chinese people has primacy over both economic and political considerations for the CCP.
I say this this knowing full well that an eventual severing of the relationship with five eyes will result in china losing access to some of the most important and progressive technological and cultural markets on the planet, but again, the chinese people must endure and make the sacrifices to ensure our civilization last the next 4,000 years as it did the last. The mongols did not destroy us 700 years ago and neither shall the 5 eye genocidal expansionist powers.
AssassinsMace
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Where was US allies on North Korea? Did they come to take on North Korea with the US? For the US, allies aren't for fighting a common goal. Allies are to spread the damage so the US doesn't get it all. Everything the US does is about getting others to do the dirty work for them. I'm not just talking about countries. Look at how the US wanted Hong Kongers to do everything against China for them. Why? Because if they fail, the US can claim they had nothing to do with it so China's anger doesn't focus on them. Look at how Australia is being punished for following Trump. Obama's Pivot to Asia fell apart because the Japanese decided to take on China over island disputes like Obama wanted but then trade between the two dropped like a rock. China didn't feel a thing because 70% of China's exports to Japan were actually Japanese products outsourced to China. Japan though went into a recession. What Japan lost in trade with China was quickly filled by Western countries that swooped in to take advantage. Like I've been saying many times, the only way the US can gang-up allies against China is to give them the money they lose not doing business with China. The US goes the way of the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War... bankrupt.
Hmmm, I myself am hoping the the USA crumples so that the rest of the fives eyes can either have the option of stoping there stupidity or face the same fate they put the Middle East through for so long
AssassinsMace
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The arrogance. I've said before in this forum that the West literally thinks they're the good guys as in the universe recognizes them as the good guys and everyone else is not hence why they think China should take this bargain with the devil. They talk about the rule of law but the rule of law doesn't apply to them. They tell the world not to do this or that but they can do it anytime they wish. All because of the prejudice that they're the good guys. Don't question it. All you need to know is they do it for what's best for everyone. If they kill someone, it's always because it was for the good. No wonder they think it's perfectly fair that they can have nuclear weapons while everyone can't because when they use them, it's for the good of all.
In the last US election, the vast majority of the people who voted for Trump charged the election was stolen from him. Did they show proof? No, because what they were saying is non-white people were voting which to them shouldn't count. The demographics of traditional Republican strongholds are changing which many saw coming in a national level and why they voted for Trump. They can't say it out loud or show proof because what they claim is cheating is actually legal. Democracy is ultimately about equality. If there's no equality, there's no democracy. They want to deny people from their right to vote. The alt-right, Proud Boys, and incels who make up this new Republican Party think their masculinity is being threatened and they want to put minorities and women back in their place. And they think they're the good guys...? I bet Democrats and liberals think they're the good guys too hence they see nothing wrong with it. Chinese are the bad guys because they ain't white That's the only difference when they get to do everything they tell China not to do. These are the people who will get to rule over China because that's what it means to accept second place.
What does China get out of it? Nothing as usual because they're the good guys and they don't have give the bad guys anything? That's how in the children's storybooks that mommy and daddy read to them when they were little turned out. They'll just not to seek to destroy you if you just bend the knee. They believe in competition... They believe in capitalism... They believe in human rights... They believe in democracy... until it doesn't go their way. But they get to do that because they're the good guys.