Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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bajingan

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China’s biggest weakness is it doesn’t have any meaningful allies.
Traditional alliance system is obsolete in my opinion, none of us allies will help it, if it start a conflict against China without provocation
As long as China can get russia and pakistan to remain neutral, i think its enough
Your own citizens its your best allies, China got 1.4 billion people more than us and eu combined, as long as we are united nothing can stand our way
 

Petrolicious88

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Traditional alliance system is obsolete in my opinion, none of us allies will help it, if it start a conflict against China without provocation
As long as China can get russia and pakistan to remain neutral, i think its enough
Your own citizens its your best allies, China got 1.4 billion people more than us and eu combined, as long as we are united nothing can stand our way
Great power competition requires friends and allies. America’s greatest strength against China is its alliance system. Most wants to maintain good relations with China to economically harvest China. But when push comes to shove, they are going to go with America.
 

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China’s biggest weakness is it doesn’t have any meaningful allies.
I would have to disagree with that. If China were a much weaker country, yes. However, as the Diaoyu Islands dispute and the recent comment from the DoD have shown, alliances are useless when facing a juggernaut that holds your lifeline. South Korea and the many nations in the SCS have shown to be extremely careful when dealing with the US-China dispute despite heavy pressure from the Trump and Obama administrations. Even Germany and France are playing both sides due to economics. The only nations that are open against China are the Quad and Five-Eyes. Within Five-Eyes, one of them is getting economically hurt despite what the media claims and the other is playing neutral. Only the US, UK and Canada are standing firm, and Russia and China have disputes with all of them. As for Quad, India has a dispute with Pakistan and China, and Russia and China have disputes with the US and Japan.
Great power competition requires friends and allies. America’s greatest strength against China is its alliance system. Most wants to maintain good relations with China to economically harvest China. But when push comes to shove, they are going to go with America.
Not really. The reason behind that mentality is due to the Cold War, in which the US had the largest market and economic might to support the world. If Germany or France try to jump in, they will have to expect their current economies to shrink drastically, which is something that would lead to infighting. Your assumption is based on the US being the sole consumer market that everyone needs to depend on for survival. Such an assumption is sorely outdated.
 

bajingan

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Great power competition requires friends and allies. America’s greatest strength against China is its alliance system. Most wants to maintain good relations with China to economically harvest China. But when push comes to shove, they are going to go with America.
you are right that China needs friends but i would use the term partner or stragetic partnership rather than allies, because you need room to manuever, alliance system cannot provide that, with that China got russia and pakistan
the us has been countered countless time in the un security council by China and russia
And no muslim countries so far support us and allies genocide claim in Xinjiang

if by push comes to shove means us initiate military aggression against China without any provocation, or the us fires the first shot, its very unlikely any us ally will join in, China is a nuclear armed state after all and we are not living in qing dynasty
 

Petrolicious88

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you are right that China needs friends but i would use the term partner or stragetic partnership rather than allies, because you need room to manuever, alliance system cannot provide that, with that China got russia and pakistan
the us has been countered countless time in the un security council by China and russia
And no muslim countries so far support us and allies genocide claim in Xinjiang

if by push comes to shove means us initiate military aggression against China without any provocation, or the us fires the first shot, its very unlikely any us ally will join in, China is a nuclear armed state after all and we are not living in qing dynasty
We are moving towards military conflict. Next 5-10 years most dangerous. Need allies. Need more powerful friends.
 

gadgetcool5

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The US will not fire the first shot completely unprovoked. The only question is what happens if China tries to take Taiwan and the US intervenes. Let's say the US fires missiles from hidden silos next to big cities in Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines. China retaliates but due to imperfect aiming some of the missiles massacre Japanese, Korean, and Philippines civilians. The populations of those countries are then inflamed and demand war. Do they enter the war? Also I don't trust the Five Eyes to stay out. The US could easily rope them into the war too, IMO. Europe is another question but I don't trust them either. Just look at German, French ships doing gunboat diplomacy again. At the very least they could help the US enforce embargos. Bottom line, having friends is never a bad thing.

Although I'm not in favor of any kind of war, it would be a disaster for everyone no matter what.
 

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We are moving towards military conflict. Next 5-10 years most dangerous. Need allies. Need more powerful friends.
The Chinese is arguably the second most powerful country in the world. Aside from the US, he only other country, that can compete with China militarily is Russia, and the Russians are no fans of the US. China has now become the elephant in the room. This "let others die for me" mentality that is prevalent among Chinese people needs to seriously disappear.
 

gadgetcool5

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Yes i agree with you next decade will be the most dangerous time for China, but i think with that China need more nuclear weapons than allies
Why not both? The US has both and is seeking to strengthen both, as should China. I don't understand the insistence that China has to fight with one hand tied behind its back. China should seek EVERY advantage it can get, including nuclear weapons and allies.
 

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We are moving towards military conflict. Next 5-10 years most dangerous. Need allies. Need more powerful friends.
If the USA collapses into an economic collapse and the dollar loses all value, expect the world at large cut ties with the USA while building up ties with China instead because really, the USA doesn't really have allies but rather nations that are their slaves and basically there yes man rather then an equal. Just look at how often the USA threatens other nations just for not towing the line 100%. It took multiple countries around the world to stand up to China which is quite disgraceful for a so called super power since the USA should be able to take on China by itself, not rely on other nations to get the ball rolling. Given the current situation in the USA, I can bet that many nations are just waiting for the time when the USA loses enough influence so they can have more freedom to navigate there futures. I can see many nations allying with China in the next 5-10 years as China is the stable nation that helps the world while the USA is a unstable nation that is growing more and more isolated no matter how much there media says other wise and is becoming a major resource sucking dead wait. If the USA goes under from the debt and collapsing infrastructure, the world many find it more beneficial to well as brutal as it sounds, cease all trade with the USA until they pay their debts and stop with all the wars because they owe so much and printed so much money that really something is going to give.
 
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