Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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emblem21

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Give me a break. Australia only exists because it genocided its aboriginal people. The white people of australia aren't really citizens per say... more like illegal terrorists/colonists that need to put down/taken care of. Its long time that australia's demographics be properly restored.
At times, I feel like Australia deserves to be invaded and have its capital bombed so that they know the pain of there actions in the middle east where they can bomb people from far away distances and feel nothing for it. At the very least, it will force these white trash to acknowledge that actions has consequences and it would force Australia to really think very hard if they want to anger the world again with there fake righteousness that their will be painful consequences for being the lap dog of a superpower that makes money from the deaths of innocent people. Sometimes, I feel like they really need to actually feel the fear of real death so that they stop taking the world as though they are right because they are white. If only the bloody corona mutated so that it affects the right demographic, then they will finally understand the pain the rest of the world suffers from there exceptionalism as this has gone on far enough
 

hashtagpls

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It's no wonder the wannabe George Kennan author of "The Longer Telegram" chose to be anonymous; coward wouldn't want to be sanctioned like pompeo and ron vara if it came out.

In that sense i doubt the author was pottinger since pottinger tends to gasbag himself, but rather someone who had a lot to lose from being sanctioned by China.
 

escobar

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It's no wonder the wannabe George Kennan author of "The Longer Telegram" chose to be anonymous; coward wouldn't want to be sanctioned like pompeo and ron vara if it came out.

In that sense i doubt the author was pottinger since pottinger tends to gasbag himself, but rather someone who had a lot to lose from being sanctioned by China.
Some people think Kevin Rudd is the author
 

AndrewS

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My view is that it is a Pottinger piece, because the Longer Telegram is very ideological.

‘The Longer Telegram’ Is A Recipe For Costly Failure

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An anonymous former government official has written a conventionally hawkish paper on China. The Atlantic Council and Politico have both published versions of the piece, and they have agreed to keep the author’s identity under wraps for reasons known only to them. The Atlantic Council claims that anonymity was necessary because of “the extraordinary significance of the author’s insights and recommendations.” It’s not clear why they find these insights and recommendations to be so extraordinary, since almost everything in the paper has been said before by various authors. It makes no sense why the author would need to remain anonymous in order to make these views known. The author likens the paper to George Kennan’s “Long Telegram” by calling it “the longer telegram,” but the paper has little or none of Kennan’s astute observations about history and strategy. A lot of it is a series of regurgitated ideological claims about the Chinese government and its ambitions under the leadership of Xi Jinping. In that respect, it is not so different from H.R. McMaster’s attempt from last year. It is just much, much longer.

It may come as a surprise to learn that “Xi has returned China to classical Marxism-Leninism,” but this is what the executive summary of the report says. That is a bizarre and incorrect claim, but it is one that the anonymous author returns to several times. The author asserts that “Xi has demonstrated that he intends to project China’s authoritarian system, coercive foreign policy, and military presence well beyond his country’s own borders to the world at large,” but we are left wondering how this has been demonstrated and he never proves his case. Then the author oversimplifies things quite a bit when he says, “China under Xi, unlike under Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, and Hu Jintao, is no longer a status quo power. It has become a revisionist power.” Even granting that China has become somewhat more combative over certain territorial claims in the last nine years, this overstates the case. China can sometimes behave like a revisionist power, but in many ways China benefits from the existing institutions and rules and doesn’t wish to overturn them. It is inaccurate to describe China as being simply revisionist, and it creates a very misleading picture of China’s strategic goals. In short, the anonymous author exaggerates Chinese ambitions and threats as many China hawks tend to do, and he casts the rivalry between the U.S. and China in stark ideological terms that do not reflect reality.

One unique element in the essay is the author’s proposal that the U.S. focus its attention on Xi and the party elite:

Given the reality that today’s China is a state in which Xi has centralized nearly all decision-making power in his own hands, and used that power to substantially alter China’s political, economic, and foreign-policy trajectory, US strategy must remain laser focused on Xi, his inner circle, and the Chinese political context in which they rule. Changing their decision-making will require understanding, operating within, and changing their political and strategic paradigm. All US policy aimed at altering China’s behavior should revolve around this fact, or it is likely to prove ineffectual.

Right here we can see the critical flaw in the author’s proposed strategy that renders the rest of the essay rather redundant. He imagines that there is some way that the U.S. can successfully change the decision-making of top Chinese officials when our government’s record of compelling foreign leaders to change their behavior is very poor. The U.S. has tried and failed to force changes in regime behavior in much smaller, weaker countries than China. The idea that the U.S. has the ability to force such changes in the Chinese government’s behavior is sheer fantasy.

If the U.S. is supposed to change Chinese officials’ decision-making, what does the author want to achieve? The author says that the “overriding political objective should be to cause China’s elite leadership to collectively conclude that it is in the country’s best interests to continue to operate within the existing US-led liberal international order rather than build a rival order,” but pressure tactics are likely to encourage China to build more parallel institutions as a way of adapting to pressure.

The author wants to convince Beijing “that it is in the party’s best interests, if it wishes to remain in power at home, not to attempt to expand China’s borders or export its political model beyond China’s shores.” In addition to being a reckless threat of attempting regime change if they do not comply with U.S. wishes, this is a solution to a problem that largely doesn’t exist. Chinese territorial ambitions are limited, and its government has no desire to export its political model anywhere outside its own territory. Like Pompeo and McMaster, the anonymous author assumes that China has ideologically-driven expansionist goals that encompass the globe. He is on guard against a phantom menace.

The paper embeds the author’s misguided China recommendations in a defense of continued U.S. global primacy. There are all the usual salutes to the virtues of U.S. “leadership” that we have come to expect from such arguments: “US leadership remains the only credible foundation for sustaining, enhancing, and, where necessary, creatively reinventing the liberal international order.” The paper declares that America’s “core objective must be the retention of US global and regional strategic primacy for the century ahead.” This mistakenly assumes that it is both possible and desirable to sustain U.S. primacy in the world and in East Asia. The truth is that the U.S. has to adapt to a world in which it does not dominate East Asia or the world. The author’s unwillingness to contemplate the reality that it already upon us confirms that he is more ideologue than careful strategist.

The author warns, “To abandon this mission would mean “the city upon a hill” would fade from view as the United States became just another nation-state in narrow pursuit of its national self-interest.” This is unvarnished American exceptionalist hogwash. The idea that America might become a normal country that pursues its own interests horrifies the author. All of the threat inflation and exaggerations of Chinese ambitions serve the purpose of giving America another grand ideological quest so that it doesn’t become “just another nation-state,” but the pursuit of yet another open-ended crusade has nothing to do with U.S. security and prosperity and it will undermine and possibly even wreck both. The so-called “longer telegram” is a recipe for costly failure, and it should be dismissed as such. There is a better U.S. strategy for East Asia available, and it looks nothing like this.
 

AndrewS

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It's no wonder the wannabe George Kennan author of "The Longer Telegram" chose to be anonymous; coward wouldn't want to be sanctioned like pompeo and ron vara if it came out.

In that sense i doubt the author was pottinger since pottinger tends to gasbag himself, but rather someone who had a lot to lose from being sanctioned by China.

The full text is below


The Atlantic Council's Anti-Chinese Containment Strategy Will Fail

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The Atlantic Council, one of the US' most powerful think tanks, published an extremely provocative anti-Chinese containment strategy proposal titled “The Longer Telegram: Toward a new American China strategy”. The title is purposely meant to evoke historical comparisons to George Kennan's “Long Telegram” which set the stage for the US' decades-long containment strategy against the former Soviet Union. Its author remains anonymous per their request, but their highly detailed document has already generated significant attention across America's leading policy circles. The problem, however, is that it's doomed to fail if implemented.

The strategy's primary theses are several-fold: the US must retain self-belief in its global supremacy in all respects; America must assemble a global coalition to contain China; China must be forced to incur significant costs for refusing to abide by Washington's envisioned liberal international order; and the consequences of these aggressive actions must be exploited for the purpose of dividing and ruling the Communist Party of China (CPC) so that they replace President Xi Jinping and transition to a collective leadership model that the Atlantic Council believes will agree to submit to America's will. That final goal is nothing but a political delusion.

Some of the proposals to these ends are equally unrealistic. One of the organizing principles states that the US must rebalance its relations with Russia in order to divide it from China and provoke a security crisis along their shared border. A ridiculous red line is also suggested to make China responsible for any attack that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) might launch against its neighbors. On the topic of major national concerns, the US is encouraged to support India should its economic and/or military relations with China worsen. In other words, the Atlantic Council wants to revive the era of proxy warfare.

With that in mind, the mysterious author of “The Longer Telegram” implores his country to clinch mega trade pacts with the Asia-Pacific and EU in order to compete with China in a clear allusion to Beijing's recently agreed Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) and Comprehensive Agreement on Investment (CAI) respectively. They also propose scaling investment into the World Bank and regional development banks as a means of countering Beijing's Belt & Road Initiative (BRI). In addition, there's a strong appeal to double down on information warfare activities against China in what's described as “the global battle for ideas”.

Most ominously, however, is the innuendo that a physical battle between China and the US might soon be in the cards, perhaps over the renegade island province of Taiwan, the South China Sea, or the Diaoyu Islands. The Atlantic Council speculates that China might not achieve a conclusive victory if the US militarily intervenes in any of these scenarios, which they claim would in turn diminish President Xi's legitimacy. It's not directly stated in the text, but the author strongly hints that a limited hot war between the two without any clear victory on China's part could trigger the CPC intra-party coup against President Xi that they're hoping for.

None of these proposals are all that novel, but the difference between this comprehensive set of them and others is the focus on trying to provoke regime change within the CPC against President Xi. The unnamed author even absurdly suggests that this might happen during next year's Twentieth Party Congress. In order to improve the US' odds of more effectively manipulating elite party officials to that end, the Atlantic Council proposes that “the public language and operational focus must be 'Xi’s Communist Party'”, not the CPC in general. This is because the entire strategy is basically all about demonizing the Chinese leader himself.

What the Atlantic Council doesn't realize is that its unnamed author's visceral hatred for the Chinese President is actually a powerful endorsement of his leadership successes. He's personally credited with defending China's interests in all respects, which is of course portrayed in a highly negative way from the American grand strategic perspective. That said, while President Xi is at the core of the CPC, there are still approximately 91 million other people in the party who represent the over 1.3the longer billion citizens of China. The country's recent ascent as one of the planet's most influential forces in history is due to their collective efforts, not just one single man's.

This makes the Atlantic Council's strategy document inherently flawed since it strangely presupposes that President Xi's countless successes aren't popular at home, whether among average Chinese or the CPC elite. It also imagines that the US is still seen as the “city upon a hill” by the international community, not realizing that the majority of people actually perceive it as a spooky castle inhabited by the ghosts of imperialism's past than any sort of inspiration to follow. In the dangerous event that elements of this policy are implemented, they're doomed to fail and accelerate the US' global decline, but it might temporarily unite its fractured political class.
 
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