Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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plawolf

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I am not sure what people are so obsessed with who wrote that trash piece, but I don’t think it would have been be any of the US politicians already sanctioned for the simple fact that they would not need to hide their identity if it was one or few of them, since they are already sanctioned and doesn’t really have much left to loose to have to hide their name so.

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Franklin

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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the formatting. It's the first thing to go if you're looking to hide who is the author.

What matters is the content, and on that front, I don't think it is Kevin Rudd.

The paper is fundamentally about USA staying number one.
But Kevin Rudd is on record as decrying that belief. Rudd-Allison interview quote below:



So my suspicion is that this is attempt by hardliners to discredit Rudd.
After all, Rudd is part the hard-headed engagement camp, and doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism.

Foreign Affairs article by Kevin Rudd below.

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I believe there are dark days ahead for the United States. On the one hand you have a lot of anger and desperation amongst the American people. And the BLM riots and the storming of Capitol Hill by Trump supporters are manifestations of that. On the other hand you have massive and multiple debt and asset bubble's in the US economy that are growing larger by the day. If you have this level of violence and instability BEFORE the asset bubble's burst. Then it becomes frightening to think what will happen to the US and in the US AFTER the asset bubble's burst.

The problem with the people talking about US China relations (including Rudd) is that they only talk about China and its trouble's and almost leaves the US out completely. They underestimate the problems in the US and often times exaggerate the problems in China. This is because in the end these are people that are making political commentary driven by ideology. That also includes the people that are considered to be "moderate" and "pro-engagement" like Rudd.

The biggest threat to America's pre-eminence abroad and the Americans well being at home is not China or Russia but America's internal problems. And the American's inability to deal with them.
 
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AndrewS

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I believe there are dark days ahead for the United States. On the one hand you have a lot of anger and desperation amongst the American people. And the BLM riots and the storming of Capitol Hill by Trump supporters are manifestations of that. On the other hand you have massive and multiple debt and asset bubble's in the US economy that are growing larger by the day. If you have this level of violence and instability BEFORE the asset bubble's burst. Then it becomes frightening to think what will happen to the US and in the US AFTER the asset bubble's burst.

The problem with the people talking about US China relations (including Rudd) is that they only talk about China and its trouble's and almost leaves the US out completely. They underestimate the problems in the US and often times exaggerate the problems in China. This is because in the end these are people that are making political commentary driven by ideology. That also includes the people that are considered to be "moderate" and "pro-engagement" like Rudd.

The biggest threat to America's pre-eminence abroad and the Americans well being at home is not China or Russia but America's internal problems. And the American's inability to deal with them.

We've seen asset bubbles burst before in the USA, notably in 2000 and 2008.
However, they weren't accompanied by much violence and instability, although we can see that the aftermath of 2008 has contributed to the frustrations we see today.

But come Autumn 2020, most people should be vaccinated and a lot of the economic relief programs are going to be cut.
When you combine that with pent-up stress of the past 18months, that is when I expect the violence to burst out.

As for the American internal divide, I don't see how these can be bridged because it is frequently a ideological/cultural/religious/racial divide.

On the race front:
1. only 9% of Republicans think Black people have it more difficult in the USA.
2. only 5% of Republicans think White people are privileged in the USA.

I think rather than "white privilege", it is more accurate to call it "majority privilege".
So if you are part of the majority in any country, it is generally easier for you (eg USA, China, India, Kenya, etc)

But I really don't see any solution to this, because you can't change your skin colour.
Nor can you force White people to live an experience as a Black person for a week.
And the situation is only going to get worse as Whites become a minority in the USA, and lose more privilege and status.
Which will also be magnified by the USA being overtaken by China in the future.

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escobar

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I wouldn't pay too much attention to the formatting. It's the first thing to go if you're looking to hide who is the author.

What matters is the content, and on that front, I don't think it is Kevin Rudd.

The paper is fundamentally about USA staying number one.
But Kevin Rudd is on record as decrying that belief. Rudd-Allison interview quote below:



So my suspicion is that this is attempt by hardliners to discredit Rudd.
After all, Rudd is part the hard-headed engagement camp, and doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism.

Foreign Affairs article by Kevin Rudd below.

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It does not really matter who wrote this thing because this is not basically a new strategy. Just the old strategy in a new era.
Not a bad strategy if you want to stay number one. What matter is whether Biden can make it happen or if Beijing can break it
 

bajingan

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It does not really matter who wrote this thing because this is not basically a new strategy. Just the old strategy in a new era.
Not a bad strategy if you want to stay number one. What matter is whether Biden can make it happen or if Beijing can break it
The only way for this strategy to work is for the us to offer a better economic opportunities to its vassals and other south east asian countries
Since the Chinese economy will keep growing anyone trading will it should see their economy grows too
So this strategy can be boiled down to this marching order " i don't care about your economic wellbeing, stop your dealings with China or else!"
Only white supremacists countries like australia and jai hind india is foolish enough to obey that order
 

escobar

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The only way for this strategy to work is for the us to offer a better economic opportunities to its vassals and other south east asian countries
Since the Chinese economy will keep growing anyone trading will it should see their economy grows too
So this strategy can be boiled down to this marching order " i don't care about your economic wellbeing, stop your dealings with China or else!"
Only white supremacists countries like australia and jai hind india is foolish enough to obey that order
So your counter strategy is to shame US potential allies by calling them foolish, supremacist and jai hind. Ok, Very good.
 

bajingan

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So your counter strategy is to shame US potential allies by calling them foolish, supremacist and jai hind. Ok, Very good.
No China just has to focus on domestic development to raise incomes, pursue technological independency and avoid war then they pretty much got this in the bag
Well in less than a decade China economy will be larger than the us, anyone who will desert that market willingly is foolish
and australia is a racist white supremacist country, and india under modi is a hindu supremacist country, got problem with that?
 
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Phead128

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It's pathetic that US media has to spin the Myanmar incident as a US-China rivalry. As if they have to somehow drag in China in whatever way possible, even though China gave a bland muted response.

Bro, US isn't the world's policemen. Get our own shit in order before trying to challenge China's sphere of influence.
 

caudaceus

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Instead of playing this guessing game, I want to point out what an insult it is that whichever mental midget wrote this "Longer Telegram" has the temerity to compare himself to George Kennan.
The State department should consider having the annual George Kennan wannabe award.
 
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