Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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emblem21

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The unify the world against China won't work without a functioning US.

And the only ones willing to send military would be Anglos and the dogs around Asia who we will discipline eventually.



Thought I'm beginning to think the goal now is to use Russia to surround China as well.
At this point in time, the USA is going to be less then functioning, to the point where one mistake could end up getting other countries to cease using the US dollar and then demand there money back. Something that I doubt that Biden would ever want happening, particularly with the economy at an all time low and with people being mostly out of work and soon to be out for blood. And his plan with the use of stimulus and vaccines is doomed to failure any way.
 

j17wang

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Dont get ahead of yourself, China needs to start by first

1) up the nuke count from 300 to 3500 or 10000 ( buy some of Russias stockpile as a stop gap if possible)
2) solve its chip fab weakness, taking TW by force if needed, or espoinage, steal as much as possible... whatever it takes
3) Get TW back, by force if needed
4) Sell the DF-41, 17 and 26 to Iran

Then talk about everything else

Or in the meantime enforce rare earth ban (card can only be used once but US is pushing to accelerate hostilities ) and stop all medical exports to US and five eyes, and strictly enforce the unreliable list...

The purchase of ~hundred weapons and delivery vehicles from Russia will be helpful, because it does give China a credible 2nd strike capability. China could probably launch 20 missiles against the US in a second strike after the US devastates part of china in a pre-emptive strike, which would be enough to deter a rationale country but might not deter the US, since 20 nukes would be devastating but not necessarily civilization ending.

Russia may be willing to sell to china because of the following a), china already possesses such a capability, but just needs more weapons b) from Russia's security perspective, would not increase china's abilities to strike Russia (which it already has with short range), nor Russian ability to strike China (which is also possible with short range) c) provides an avenue to monetize a weapon system that is normally not monetizable (since its not as easy to sell missiles as jets, even though jets cost more).

The fact that China already possesses DF-41 makes a sale much more likely for Russia, since it could be treated as a commercial transaction vs broader strategic considerations. Again, the idea is not that china needs top of the line from russia, but just more bulk for the next few years, and even older stock would be sufficient. Another thing is that there is still a great disparity between China and Russia nuclear weapons stocks post launch, so it does not constrain Moscows capabilities in thier wargame scenarios against China.
 

ansy1968

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Thought I'm beginning to think the goal now is to use Russia to surround China as well.
@localizer

It could have a better chance under Trump instead the DNC poison that effort, and the Russian are not stupid people (except for Yeltsin) , they remember the Chinese support during their Crimea annexation (were the west impose crippling sanction) .It's really funny how the American elites can't decide their true enemies, both aisle had their owned bogeyman , the Democrats had their Russian card to play to identify their cause with the European, while the Republican need to cover up their corruption with their corporate backers played their China threat card to identify themselves with the common man. So in returned they had neither the EU and even Japan is smart enough to hedge against her just in case. And that will have a major implication, if your vassal state is vacillating then you know you're in trouble.
 

localizer

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@localizer

It could have a better chance under Trump instead the DNC poison that effort, and the Russian are not stupid people (except for Yeltsin) , they remember the Chinese support during their Crimea annexation (were the west impose crippling sanction) .It's really funny how the American elites can't decide their true enemies, both aisle had their owned bogeyman , the Democrats had their Russian card to play to identify their cause with the European, while the Republican need to cover up their corruption with their corporate backers played their China threat card to identify themselves with the common man. So in returned they had neither the EU and even Japan is smart enough to hedge against her just in case. And that will have a major implication, if your vassal state is vacillating then you know you're in trouble.
This also depends on how well Russia Putin et al. can hold on to power. Western propaganda is no joke.
 

ansy1968

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The purchase of ~hundred weapons and delivery vehicles from Russia will be helpful, because it does give China a credible 2nd strike capability. China could probably launch 20 missiles against the US in a second strike after the US devastates part of china in a pre-emptive strike, which would be enough to deter a rationale country but might not deter the US, since 20 nukes would be devastating but not necessarily civilization ending.

Russia may be willing to sell to china because of the following a), china already possesses such a capability, but just needs more weapons b) from Russia's security perspective, would not increase china's abilities to strike Russia (which it already has with short range), nor Russian ability to strike China (which is also possible with short range) c) provides an avenue to monetize a weapon system that is normally not monetizable (since its not as easy to sell missiles as jets, even though jets cost more).

The fact that China already possesses DF-41 makes a sale much more likely for Russia, since it could be treated as a commercial transaction vs broader strategic considerations. Again, the idea is not that china needs top of the line from russia, but just more bulk for the next few years, and even older stock would be sufficient. Another thing is that there is still a great disparity between China and Russia nuclear weapons stocks post launch, so it does not constrain Moscows capabilities in thier wargame scenarios against China.
@j17wang ,

The Russia is leveraging their huge Nuclear weapon against the US and the West, while China use her economic might, both nation knows if they stand alone both of them will be annihilated. So it is on their strategic interest to align with each to complement each other weakness. The US had a superpower overreach, having allies and vassals had its price and that cost is being question by their citizen cause they can't bear it anymore.
 

localizer

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@j17wang ,

The Russia is leveraging their huge Nuclear weapon against the US and the West, while China use her economic might, both nation knows if they stand alone both of them will be annihilated. So it is on their strategic interest to align with each to complement each other weakness. The US had a superpower overreach, having allies and vassals had its price and that cost is being question by their citizen cause they can't bear it anymore.


The very reason that China has so many enemies is why we will become the greatest power in the next century.

We are competing against world-China.

They know we will own them. That's why they're afraid.
 

ansy1968

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This also depends on how well Russia Putin et al. can hold on to power. Western propaganda is no joke.
@localizer

Yup agreed with you on that, but I believed that the Russian is proud of their Slavic ancestry and know their history , just like us Chinese both nation had suffered horrendous casualty , massacre and destruction in their history as well as triumph, that pride will not be easily sway by any propaganda.
 

localizer

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@localizer

Yup agreed with you on that, but I believed that the Russian is proud of their Slavic ancestry and know their history , just like us Chinese both nation had suffered horrendous casualty , massacre and destruction in their history as well as triumph, that pride will not be easily sway by any propaganda.
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bajingan

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The purchase of ~hundred weapons and delivery vehicles from Russia will be helpful, because it does give China a credible 2nd strike capability. China could probably launch 20 missiles against the US in a second strike after the US devastates part of china in a pre-emptive strike, which would be enough to deter a rationale country but might not deter the US, since 20 nukes would be devastating but not necessarily civilization ending.

Russia may be willing to sell to china because of the following a), china already possesses such a capability, but just needs more weapons b) from Russia's security perspective, would not increase china's abilities to strike Russia (which it already has with short range), nor Russian ability to strike China (which is also possible with short range) c) provides an avenue to monetize a weapon system that is normally not monetizable (since its not as easy to sell missiles as jets, even though jets cost more).

The fact that China already possesses DF-41 makes a sale much more likely for Russia, since it could be treated as a commercial transaction vs broader strategic considerations. Again, the idea is not that china needs top of the line from russia, but just more bulk for the next few years, and even older stock would be sufficient. Another thing is that there is still a great disparity between China and Russia nuclear weapons stocks post launch, so it does not constrain Moscows capabilities in thier wargame scenarios against China.
Correct me if i am wrong, but isnt it most of China nukes are megatonne class city busters? While most of us nukes is kilotonne class, Getting hit by 20 of those mt nukes can be fatal
But i wholly agree with you, China must be able to at least ensure mad anything less is unacceptable for superpower like China
First thing is to change China nuclear posture to launch on warning and looks like things are moving in that direction
Secondly increase warhead counts for mirv icbms and ssbn (ditto as above)
 
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