Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


zgx09t

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I always knew China was under-reporting their COVID-19 numbers. It seems they really under reported with 3000+ deaths. 45,000 cremated remains to handed back to families in Wuhan alone. Of course not all was due to the virus, but a large amount probably was.

Many here will dismiss this as another western propaganda, looking to damage China's image, but the more the govt. continues to lie, they more they damage their own credibility.

With all the tens of thousands cremation done alone in Wuhan alone we may never know the virus true toll on China.

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Here comes another unsubstantiated conspiracy theory brought to you by yet another potential trouble maker.
Making already controversial and difficult subject even worse for no apparent good reasons gratifies you much?
 

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zgx09t

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here's a reputable site your highness or is Bloomberg another Christian Italian source

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Another one if bloomberg is not enough.

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Bloomberg? What's so special about them?
Remember this one below?
What a joke. Bloomberg my foot.

The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies


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Pika

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Bloomberg? What's so special about them?
Remember this one below?
What a joke. Bloomberg my foot.

The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. Companies


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I anticipated this reaction. Go ahead and dismiss everything you disagree with as conspiracies.

Edit: I will add this. The West's relationship with China will change after this. It will be in China's interest to at least be forthcoming and honest, but I don't expect that from the govt. Their disinformation campaign will sour more views at the West.
 
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KYli

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I always knew China was under-reporting their COVID-19 numbers. It seems they really under reported with 3000+ deaths. 45,000 cremated remains to handed back to families in Wuhan alone. Of course not all was due to the virus, but a large amount probably was.

Many here will dismiss this as another western propaganda, looking to damage China's image, but the more the govt. continues to lie, they more they damage their own credibility.

With all the tens of thousands cremation done alone in Wuhan alone we may never know the virus true toll on China.

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Tell that to the family members of the Italians and Americans, many of the Covid-19 patients were never tested and weren't count in both countries. An Italian mayor said that the true death toll in his city is at least 6 times the official number. So are your saying all these western governments lie and have no credibility because they are doing the same thing and using the same method. Or you prefer Double standard.

1. the same source that the article quoted also claimed that "all seven funeral homes in Wuhan are handing out 3,500 urns every day in total" so "Such an estimate would mean that 42,000 urns would be given out during that time." So if you decided to believe the article, then should you accept that it is 42000. Not that I believe how they come up with 12 days and each day has to be 3500 urns.

2. Have you taken into consideration that winter is always the quarter that have most death and it is 2 1/2 months period not 2 months period as the same source said the government has stopped the distribution of urns for 2 1/2 months.

3. Have you considered all those cancer patients and kidney disease patients etc who died due to the fact that the hospitals are overwhelmed. these people probably would live a few years more if the health system operates normally.

To be honest, I do believe there are under-reporting due to the fact that many patients dead before being tested so didn't include in the official death toll between late Jan and early Feb.
 
@Pika Quotes are from your Bloomberg source:

"Outside one funeral home, trucks
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about 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday, according to Chinese media outlet Caixin. Another picture published by Caixin showed 3,500 urns stacked on the ground inside. It’s unclear how many of the urns had been filled.

People who answered the phone at six of the eight funeral homes in Wuhan said they either did not have data on how many urns were waiting to be collected, or were not authorized to disclose the numbers."


So they don't know how many and they don't know if they were full. In other words, it could be to replenish older stock; it could be that they were ordered when the death toll was soaring; it could be that customers have more than 1 urn to choose from for their deceased. They don't have a number but they wanna make it sound high.

"Many people who died had Covid-19 symptoms, but weren’t tested and excluded from the official case tally, Caixin said. There were also patients who died of other diseases due to a
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when hospitals were overwhelmed dealing with those who had the coronavirus."


So basically, like every other country, China cannot be sure of the exact number reported because of the complexities and chaos of the situation. And those who died from other morbidities due to hospitals being overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients obviously cannot be counted in the COVID-19 death toll. Every country has more dead than the official count.

"There were 56,007 cremations in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019, according to
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from the city’s civil affairs agency. The number of cremations was 1,583 higher than those in the fourth quarter of 2018 and 2,231 higher than the fourth quarter of 2017."


So they don't have data for Q1 2020 and Q4 2019 isn't showing anything crazy so they're just putting down high numbers to confuse people into thinking that they are right.

There's no evidence here of anything. What is your point?

The West's relationship with China will change after this. It will be in China's interest to at least be forthcoming and honest, but I don't expect that from the govt. Their disinformation campaign will sour more views at the West.
The WHO and countries worldwide are praising China for not only its decisive action in containing Wuhan but also the help it is now giving out. Really only the US is (unsuccessfully) attacking China's response. (Bolsonaro Jr did too until his dad shut him up and asked China for cooperation.) At the G7, every other country defended China (even in China's absence) and vetoed America's attempt to name it the Wuhan virus. Your statement is not supported by fact.
 
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dratsabknihcllik

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As I've stated before regarding the situation in China, ramping up testing will make the numbers look bad, but it is good for exposing the problem and providing aid to those who need it.
Every nation(who still hasn't) must understand that now basically there are two alternatives.

1. Try to punch above the weight and aggressively test as many people as possible and contain the spread as much as possible.

2. Test a nominal number of people so that the numbers look decent and later face a gargantuan disaster.
 

Canuck place

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I anticipated this reaction. Go ahead and dismiss everything you disagree with as conspiracies.

Edit: I will add this. The West's relationship with China will change after this. It will be in China's interest to at least be forthcoming and honest, but I don't expect that from the govt. Their disinformation campaign will sour more views at the West.
Yes and same goes for the West. You should also be demanding accurate numbers from the US, Canada, UK. They don't test asymptomatic people and especially the US had very limited testing capabilities, their initial CDC test was flawed. Their death rate must be higher, are they covering up as well?
I'm sure there are more deaths than officially stated but that's the case with every country
 

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