Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


ansy1968

Major
Registered Member
One of the reasons Cambodian people could enjoy 3rd doses is as our Prime Minister said "take China as strategic dependence for vaccine supply". Our only problem is if we have enough money to buy the vaccines we want. Since The Philippines also accept Chinese vaccines, I don't understand how you can't buy enough vaccines for your people, unless the people of the Philippines don't want Chinese vaccines (similar case in Vietnam). In the handling of the pandemic, I praise our government for it always move in advance of the situation; from vaccination to prompt lockdown and currently, the 3rd dose. However, this doesn't mean that we will always be safe. As I've said before; we are under Delta threat as more and more cases being detected everyday.
@SteelBird so are we, bro we had the money we borrow it from WORLD BANK but the conditionality is that we must purchase it from WESTERN SOURCES and had to queue a very long queue to received the vaccine. :mad: that bold statement above is what we should had done in the past but hadn't and now we're suffering. Bro most of our vaccine came from Chinese donation, if we had done what your gov't did our cases will be low by a huge margin.
 

Phead128

Senior Member
Me an anti-vaxxer? Presumptuous aren’t ya? My boys are fully vaccinated as recommend by the government. I will not let my boys take an emergency vaccine based on a brand new tech that only took half a year to develop and test. The quickest vaccine developed in history was the MMR vaccine and it took four years. It was an attenuated (weakened) live virus vaccine, a proven tech.

So why did you accuse me of spreading misinformation when you don't even understand the research articles you are citing?
 
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Phead128

Senior Member
You're pretty much the only one selling pfizer/moderna vaccines here.

First off, @vincent accused me of spreading misinformation, so I have a right to issue a rebuttal and cite the facts.

Secondly, this is what I wrote like 5 pages ago

China should embargo Pfizer mRNA in the Chinese market and fully adopt indigenous mRNA tech by WalVax and SinoPharm. Who knows, the West maybe says mRNA is a sensitive export of national security interest and ban it's export to China since China (might) use it for military applications or whatever. CHina should cultivate it's own technologies, same with semiconductors.

Otherwise, you become like India, wholly dependent on foreign imports of vaccine tech, dominated by foreign tech, and your indigenous tech can't thrive. No more of that B.S. for China.

How the hell can you accuse me of shilling for Pfizer vaccines when I literally said go BAN Pfizer mRNA vaccines? It's like you magically appear in the middle of a conversation without reading any preceding pages. How about don't interrupt in a middle of conversation in which you are clueless and make baseless presumptions.
 
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AndrewS

Colonel
Registered Member
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1 billion Chinese fully vaccinated.

However, number of daily new shots has dropped below 5 million. Chinese government should consider increasing healthy adults’ medical copayment for non-Covid expenses if they refuse to be vaccinated.

There's not many people left in China.

70% are fully vaccinated
Another 10% had their 1st shot
Another 12% of the population is under 12 years old, so I wouldn't expect them to be vaccinated.

That only leaves 8% of the population.

I suspect many of these are in really rural areas or have medical conditions which prevent them being vaccinated.
 
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PiSigma

"the engineer"
Neither am I a doctor. Actually, I was hesitated before taking the 3rd jab. I did an antibody test and found that my antibody was full according to the test kit. After thinking twice, I decided to take the jab because it was meant to deal with Delta variant. More than 3,000 Delta variant cases have been found in Cambodia. We're under threat. If we're careless, what happens to Vietnam today may happen to us tomorrow.

By the way, after inoculation of youngsters aged between 12 to 17 nearly 100% finished which allows them to go back to schools, Cambodia is preparing to inoculate children between 6 to 11 starting tomorrow.

The darker the T line is, the more antibody counts
TW6DdCI.jpg
What vaccine is approved from 6-11? I didn't know of any that are actually approved for use.
 

solarz

Brigadier
First off, @vincent accused me of spreading misinformation, so I have a right to issue a rebuttal and cite the facts.

Secondly, this is what I wrote like 5 pages ago



How the hell can you accuse me of shilling for Pfizer vaccines when I literally said go BAN Pfizer mRNA vaccines? It's like you magically appear in the middle of a conversation without reading any preceding pages. How about don't interrupt in a middle of conversation in which you are clueless and make baseless presumptions.

I said you're selling those vaccines ON HERE.

There are legitimate concerns about the safety of pfizer, moderna, and AZ, yet you keep making the false argument that covid is more dangerous.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
As someone who visited the emergency room after my Pfizer 2nd shot for chest pain (suspected myocarditis/pericarditis, but ultimately negative troponin test), I would gladly do it again and get a third booster shot for Delta. Thanks for your concern though. Better a 0.026% chance of myocarditis with the vaccine than a 0.17% chance of myocarditis without the vaccine and with COVID infection. The benefits outweight the risks and the peer-reviewed evidence reflects that.
You presented two alternatives:
  1. vaccinated with 0.026% chance of myocarditis . WITHOUT infected.
  2. un-vaccinated and infected with 0.17% chance of myocarditis.
But I see many more possibilities. Here is my further breakdown of the two, and the ultimate chance of getting myocarditis at the end of them.
  1. vaccinated
    1. NOT infected by COVID. 0.026%
    2. Infected by COVID due to breakthrough infection. This chance is pretty high right now. What is the chance of still getting myocarditis? Let's say it is A% The breakthrough chance is B%. So the final chance is 0.026% + B%*A%
  2. un-vaccinated
    1. Without precautionary measures. X% chance to get infected by COVID that leads to 0.17% chance of myocarditis. X%*0.17%
    2. With precautionary measures (no party, no travel, face mask etc.). Y% chance to get infected by COVID to begin with. Y%*0.17%
    3. Zero case policy by the state. Z% chance for me to get infected. Z%*0.17%
In my opinion, Z% could be the lowest, almost down to zero. For me it is the best choice.

Of course I live in Europe, so 2.3 is not an option. 2.2 may be better than 1.1 in the final chance of sickness.

You sound very much like what the health authority in Europe was saying at the time when AZ was shunned that "the benefit of AZ outweighs its risk". This line of argument does NOT take into consideration of perceived efficacy of individual's social behavior and personal measures. But people make their choice with this consideration in mind. That is why the government wasn't convincing people and failed. You can see the failure that so many AZ vaccines being expired and wasted together with money.

Let me share my own experience and possible choice. I am a person against the "anti-vaccination" group and conspiracy theory. But I don't blindly buy the BS from incompetent politicians or the money thirsty enterprises.

I have taken two does of BioNtech. At the time of vaccination, I have determined that if I was offered AZ, I would turn that down and rely on my own precautionary measures because I am confident that these measures are adequate to reduce my chance of anything than the risk of AZ. That decision was also based on the efficacy of BioNtech at the time against pre-Delta variants.

Now with the much lower efficacy of BioNtech against Delta, the risk of side effect (in my personal calculation) is exceeding the risk of getting infected by COVID by my own precautionary measures.

Now there is an ongoing round of booster shot of BioNtech where I live. I am not offered because I am not in the risk group. But even if the general public is offered some months later, I will take decision based on new data of the efficacy on the new variant prevalent at the time. I may or may not take the vaccine.
 
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Quickie

Major
Neither am I a doctor. Actually, I was hesitated before taking the 3rd jab. I did an antibody test and found that my antibody was full according to the test kit. After thinking twice, I decided to take the jab because it was meant to deal with Delta variant. More than 3,000 Delta variant cases have been found in Cambodia. We're under threat. If we're careless, what happens to Vietnam today may happen to us tomorrow.

By the way, after inoculation of youngsters aged between 12 to 17 nearly 100% finished which allows them to go back to schools, Cambodia is preparing to inoculate children between 6 to 11 starting tomorrow.

The darker the T line is, the more antibody counts
TW6DdCI.jpg


Imo, the risks, and benefits when taking booster shot vaccines across the different age groups would have to be weighed.

I scanned through the list of death involving Covid-19 (on the government website) and didn't find any death for fully vaccinated (2 doses) younger people (18 to 23) except one 21 years old with comorbidity and I'm not sure whether he died from Covid or with Covid as the list include both. (I actually scanned through the whole list of over 25,000 entries thanks to the search function.)

As to up to what age group the line must be drawn as to where the risk of third booster shots is actually higher than a Covid-19 infection, I guess that would be up to experts/authorities to determine.
 
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