Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)


ILikeChina

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You say as India is dying now, but like two weeks ago there were like 500 deaths per day in Poland, so adjusting for the population it was like about 20000 in India a day.

And life was normal, no one gives a shit about this virus anymore, and Poles want to fully open the country.
 

taxiya

Colonel
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But India is socialist. Similar to Vietnam in overall development. India can also "socially mobilize". How do they conduct elections if otherwise.
That is a joke I am afraid. India being socialist is the same as Europe being social democracy ruled by "socialists". It worth to note that the European social democrats have their lineage from the now defunct second international which was a socialist movement. India's "socialism" has nothing to do with the socialism practiced by Vietnam.
 

taxiya

Colonel
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You say as India is dying now, but like two weeks ago there were like 500 deaths per day in Poland, so adjusting for the population it was like about 20000 in India a day.

And life was normal, no one gives a shit about this virus anymore, and Poles want to fully open the country.
One reason that the situation in India got much media coverage is perhaps to deflect the failure of the west at home which is their speciality.
 

taxiya

Colonel
Registered Member
The Canadian policy is absurd. It would rather steal vaccines from Indians who desperately need it than to purchase vaccines from China.
I am not trying to defend Canada, but isn't the Indian government more absurd to hang on COVAX (吊死在一棵树上) than purchasing vaccines directly from China? Therefor, Indian government should take much more blame than anyone else. Actually, if China is in Canada's shoes I would expect China to do the same.
 

weig2000

Senior Member
You say as India is dying now, but like two weeks ago there were like 500 deaths per day in Poland, so adjusting for the population it was like about 20000 in India a day.

And life was normal, no one gives a shit about this virus anymore, and Poles want to fully open the country.

I agree, to a large extent. In the US, when there were a few hundreds deaths and a few thousands cases on a daily basis a year ago, it caused real panic and fear. At the end of last year and early this year, people took in strides when there were thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands cases a day. The Covid fatigue set in and people got numbed.

In India, corpses were burned in the open and floated in the Ganges all the time. People slept and died on streets everyday. What's new? Well, what's new is the global media have focused their attention on the plight of Indians under pandemic. It won't be over in India for quite some time to come and soon people will get used to it. If a rich country like the US could get used to it, why not a poor country like India?

It's really cruel to say so, but this pandemic has exposed a lot of things, ground reality, national character and such.

In November last year, when COVID19 was still raging wild in the US, the renowned American economist and Bloomberg columnist Tyler Cowen boasted that "
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There is one other factor that people are loathe to discuss (with one
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). Yes, the U.S. has botched its response to Covid-19. At the same time, its experience shows that America as a nation can in fact tolerate casualties, too many in fact. It had long been standard Chinese doctrine that Americans are “soft” and unwilling to take on much risk. If you were a Chinese war game planner, might you now reconsider that assumption?
 

AndrewS

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Not affecting your conclusion, but I don't think India is able to emulate Vietnam. Although Vietnam is less developed, but it is a communist state that the government has tremendous capability of social mobilization similar to China.

@Xsizor

Note that Vietnam is also a Confucian state like China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

In all these places, when the government makes a "request", people actually listen
 

AndrewS

Major
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I agree, to a large extent. In the US, when there were a few hundreds deaths and a few thousands cases on a daily basis a year ago, it caused real panic and fear. At the end of last year and early this year, people took in strides when there were thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands cases a day. The Covid fatigue set in and people got numbed.

In India, corpses were burned in the open and floated in the Ganges all the time. People slept and died on streets everyday. What's new? Well, what's new is the global media have focused their attention on the plight of Indians under pandemic. It won't be over in India for quite some time to come and soon people will get used to it. If a rich country like the US could get used to it, why not a poor country like India?

It's really cruel to say so, but this pandemic has exposed a lot of things, ground reality, national character and such.

In November last year, when COVID19 was still raging wild in the US, the renowned American economist and Bloomberg columnist Tyler Cowen boasted that "
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." In fact:

Whilst the US hospital system buckled under the pressure in certain places, there was by no means a complete collapse.

In comparison, the majority of the Indian hospital system is in the middle of collapsing due to a shortage of doctors, medicines, beds, oxygen, etc etc

The death rate in India is also far higher than in the USA due to that lack of medical care plus variants which are more infectious and/or deadly .

The overloaded medical system also means *routine* accidents and operations now have deadly consequences.
 

plawolf

Brigadier
Don’t think me cold blooded or deliberately trying to screw India over, but I actually think the world needs to work to actively deny India access to vaccines at this point.

The reasons are that at their current stage of infection, vaccines are basically useless to do much meaningful good due to the long time needed for vaccine immunity to kick in, and the limited global available quantity of vaccines.

Even if there were enough vaccines available to inoculate the entire Indian population, there isn’t sufficient time to get enough people vaccinated to achieve herd immunity minimum percentage of population before the virus naturally gets there first given the massive head start the virus already have and the speed of its spread.

So what does that mean? It means at best you have a minority of the population vaccinated with full immunity while everyone else gets the virus naturally.

That’s like the opposite of inoculation based herd immunity, where you have a small percentage of population with vaccine induced immunity being constantly re-exposed to countless naturally mutating variants of the virus. That sounds like the perfect way to train the virus to start attaining it’s own defences against vaccine trained immunity.

Vaccines is fundamentally the wrong tool for this job.

India needs to bring infection rates down sufficiently to allow for a viable vaccine strategy or it needs to just suck it up and take it; but throwing vaccines blindly at this current crisis will only repeating the exact same mistakes that have created antibiotic resistant superbugs.
 

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