Chinese Military Exports (Land Systems)
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Man this shit is disappointing feeding ammo to the stereotypes now all people will know China vt4 tanks for is exploded barrel wtf norinco. The J10ce made the rep of Chinese export equipment go up just for vt4 to pull its ass back down.
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I mean this isn't the fault of Norinco because the Thais wanted lower quality barrel and they got what they wanted campared to the Pakistanis so it's on the Thais because what did you expect?
someone double check this, but I read the pakistani license produced VT4s use a separate non-chinese design gun, failing Pakistani army trials in this aspect
Some users on Bilibili claim that the VT4 tank's explosive reactive armor was detonated, possibly due to a frontal missile strike. However, I cannot confirm whether an anti-tank missile could cause the main gun to snap cleanly in half.
Additionally, the VT4 is considered a relatively high-end export tank, and I don't believe Thailand would deliberately opt for a stripped-down version of the VT4.
Additionally, the VT4 is considered a relatively high-end export tank, and I don't believe Thailand would deliberately opt for a stripped-down version of the VT4.
I doubt Norinco would supply a lower quality gun for this kind of bad publicity alone. Still possible though.
Knowing that the Pakistani army is facing the immediate threat of India, it is unlikely as noted above that they would take delivery of something with severe flaws.
What we know…
The damage to the first tank was more extensive with the turret more damaged. Crewmen were injured.
In this case, the damage occurred possibly around the breech area. Very possible that some kind of damaged ammunition or loading failure caused a small detonation.
This second tank seems mostly intact except for the barrel. Any reports on injuries? Probably some different source of damage. Could be something stupid like collision.
I believe the gun is just manufactured in Pakistan, but the design is the same.
Knowing that the Pakistani army is facing the immediate threat of India, it is unlikely as noted above that they would take delivery of something with severe flaws.
What we know…
The damage to the first tank was more extensive with the turret more damaged. Crewmen were injured.
In this case, the damage occurred possibly around the breech area. Very possible that some kind of damaged ammunition or loading failure caused a small detonation.
This second tank seems mostly intact except for the barrel. Any reports on injuries? Probably some different source of damage. Could be something stupid like collision.
Like many have stated, it could be Thai incompetence or wrongful use.
Although this is quite an old article. It may still give us some useful insight
Thai's suggested that half of the stingray tanks they purchased developed "faults" very shortly after procurement. While the supplier claims it was misuse of equipment
I think it was on this thread it was mentioned that the thais opted for a downgraded barrel when they purchased the tanks.
plawolf
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Its absolutely a result of improper use.
The VT4 only carry 38 rounds of main gun ammo. Which is pretty standard for tanks as the Abrams only has 40 rounds of main gun ammo and the T90 has 43.
That’s the maximum sustained total rounds the gun barrels would have been designed for. For safety margins, they could probably do double that number in one sitting, but much more and you are basically playing Russian roulette with tank rounds.
The Thai army were using their tanks for non-stop area bombardment at max RoF in stationary dug-in positions, so they probably continuously feeding fresh rounds into the autoloader.
There are plenty of videos online of people doing meltdown tests with assault rifles of mag dumping none stop until the guns overhead and sometimes catch fire or suffer other catastrophic mechanical failure. That’s basically what happened here. The Thais kept pushing rounds through the barrel with no regard for safe operational limits or even basic common sense, in which case it was just a matter of time until the inevitable happened.
You can put any tank or even SPG in the world in that position and it would be exactly the same result.
The real question you need to ask is if VT-4 is as awful as the bobalibs make it out to be why are they not sending the T-84s since it is so superior?