China's strategic vulnerabilities

AndrewS

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Because you have already told me you think China can't defend anything. In that case it's pointless to discuss it with you.

No, I expect you to provide an example so I can comprehensively debunk it using logic.

The onus is on you to prove you have a viable strategy for a Chinese ideology that can spread around the world and compete against the USA
 

AndrewS

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RT is as effective as it gets when we still live in the liberal international order. I think focusing on countries that are not Anglo-sphere might be a good way to win friends.

Yes, China focusing on the non-Anglosphere has to be a key strategy.

Actually, the counterattack by China is very effective. It has neutralized the US offensive of accusing Wuhan lab as the source of the outbreak. The US and Pompeo have even claimed that it is a Chinese bio weapon. China's offensive might create resentment from the Europe but it has effectively ended the US narrative outside of the US sphere of influence. I think it is a small price to pay for debunking the much more sinister accusation from the US.

No. When some Chinese officials accused the USA of starting the Coronavirus it backfired.

Only people already hostile to the USA believed that narrative, as it reinforced their existing views.
China doesn't need to win these people over.

But China does need to win over the people who are neutral (like in Europe).
The obviously fake narrative of the Coronavirus starting in the USA created a huge backlash.

Everyone knows the Coronavirus almost certainly did come from China, but many had the view that it was an unfortunate act of nature that happened to start in China.
 

AndrewS

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At the newbies

I get that there is a lot of anger and unhappiness at the USA.
And that there is a feeling of powerlessness.

But in the long-term, China is likely to catchup in every respect and become a prosperous hi-tech society.
And that is based on domestic Chinese development and R&D spending, because the USA can only slow China, rather than stop it.
So China would have 3x the US population, means China could end up with 3x the economic heft and military spending for example.

The US is only acting the way it is, because they know they are being passed by.
So best to act and think like a winner, instead of acting like an angry loser.

Read through some of the threads like
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
But you admit that a smaller population means less national power and less market power, even if the population is highly educated and works high skilled job, right?

Singapore has a highly educated and skilled population, but it is not a world power by any means.

The only reason China can even think of success independent of the US is that it has a large population.

What, in your view would be the ideal population level for China?

I never said China population is too small. You cannot use Singapore as yardstick . Singapore natural position should be in Malaysia but because of rasicst Malaysian politic it not possible So she had to go on her own.
Singapore benefit a lot from it too because of insecurity many Indo and Malaysian chinese park their money in Singapore allowing it to invest in industry, port and education. Coupled with liberal open policy and liberal immigration, relatively competent civil ,allowed it to propel into the first world
Due to small geography and small population base the impact of this policy is immediate and striking

But China is continental size country with huge and disparate population hobbled by century of poor policy and neglect coupled with geopolitic animosity from western world

It is much more difficult situation to advanced economically Only DXP with his enlightened policy change the mind set of the Chinese and yes Singapore and Hongkong open his horizon and confirm that with right policy Chinese society can prosper. With he did is to allowed the Chinese to get rich and take the responsibility of their own life and retreat from interfering in the day to day life of chinese people

So chinese population size is both burden and blesses at the same time. China is actually 2 countries the easter seabord is close to the first world and the western part is more third world.In other word inbalance development They make huge effort to equalized it but it is not easy It will take generation to bring th the western part of the country to the level of eastern board.

I think the egregious Hukou system should be discarded It is one of the worst perpetrated injustice and unfair practise to the Chinese society They should discard it . But they met with high resistance form the large city due to burden on social service and tax.

They already started to dismantle it by allowing the migrant worker to migrate to 2nd and 3rd tier cities but still too slow. If implemented right it might get China second wind of prosperity if they are allowed to buy properties in the cities and get social service
 

KYli

Brigadier
No. When some Chinese officials accused the USA of starting the Coronavirus it backfired.

Only people already hostile to the USA believed that narrative, as it reinforced their existing views.
China doesn't need to win these people over.

But China does need to win over the people who are neutral (like in Europe).
The obviously fake narrative of the Coronavirus starting in the USA created a huge backlash.

Everyone knows the Coronavirus almost certainly did come from China, but many had the view that it was an unfortunate act of nature that happened to start in China.

I disagree. Europe was never neutral. When the US secretary of state and US senators pushed the narrative that the virus came from Wuhan lab, these nations remain silent. When China counterattack by a low ranking foreign minister, they got so upset. If this is neutral, then the Europe has a funny way to show it.

China counterattack is effective as it neutralized the US. Pompeo has toned down accusing China and not pushing the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory. It is a win for China. The so called huge backlash is irrelevant. Most Europeans except politicians didn't even pay much attention toward this debacle. As for UK, it has flip and flop so many times that China can't count on it anymore.
 

AndrewS

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I disagree. Europe was never neutral. When the US secretary of state and US senators pushed the narrative that the virus came from Wuhan lab, these nations remain silent. When China counterattack by a low ranking foreign minister, they got so upset. If this is neutral, then the Europe has a funny way to show it.

China counterattack is effective as it neutralized the US. Pompeo has toned down accusing China and not pushing the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory. It is a win for China. The so called huge backlash is irrelevant. Most Europeans except politicians didn't even pay much attention toward this debacle. As for UK, it has flip and flop so many times that China can't count on it anymore.

There are obviously degrees of neutrality, but Europe is definitely on the neutral side with regards to a US-China strategic competition.

Remember the timelines.

In March, Global Times made headlines with its US-origin coronavirus conspiracy theory
In May, Pompeo started pushing the Wuhan Lab origin - which was in direct response to the Chinese theory.

Given that China started with the ridiculous US-origin theory first.
And then the US responds with a somewhat plausible theory that it was actually a leak from the Wuhan Lab.

Of course, Europe is going to act the way it did.
 

KYli

Brigadier
There are obviously degrees of neutrality, but Europe is definitely on the neutral side with regards to a US-China strategic competition.

Remember the timelines.

In March, Global Times made headlines with its US-origin coronavirus conspiracy theory
In May, Pompeo started pushing the Wuhan Lab origin - which was in direct response to the Chinese theory.

Given that China started with the ridiculous US-origin theory first.
And then the US responds with a somewhat plausible theory that it was actually a leak from the Wuhan Lab.

Of course, Europe is going to act the way it did.

It is the US senator Tom Cotton that started the Wuhan lab conspiracy theory in the Feb and the Western media has perpetuated the theory. After a few weeks, the Wuhan lab conspiracy was gaining traction and GT responded in March by throwing out a US-origin theory.

I think you need to get the timeline right first. Europe is acting the way it is due to the fact that Europe is never neutral in the first place. Nothing more and nothing less.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

Junior Member
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Wondering if China will ever produce a movie detailing how the Soviet Union was undermined by the West. Its much easier to convince people of the dangers of Western liberalism through such mediums. Debates are pointless, facts don't convince people, but AESTHETICS do.

I bet the Red Army Choir has converted more kids to communism than anything Marx really had to say.



" We are not afraid of economic sanctions or military intervention. What we are afraid of is Western universities. "
-- Imam Khomeini
 
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