China's strategic vulnerabilities

AndrewS

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Any. Literally anything. Right now if you are not Chinese, China can only throw money at you, but it has nothing to offer hearts and minds. The US doesn't have to compete, because no matter what crap values the US sells, there is not even any alternative offered by China.

Give me an example then.

Because I've already asked myself that question before.

And there's nothing that China can credibly espouse in terms of universal values, in the face of the US narrative.
 

Brainsuker

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One more thing to consider:

It is projected 13 million people will be born in China this year, 20 million will be born in India.

China's population base and thus market size potential will eventually be much smaller than India's.

China's working age population is starting to shrink and its overall population will shrink soon after, following Japan. Even if you add SEA, the entire East/Southeast Asia region's population as a share of world population is set to steadily shrink this century.

Over the long term this will weaken China if it cannot find allies or other markets.

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It's not that necessarily bad. Because there is always a limitation on how your land can take care of the people (water, food, etc). With limited space like India, to have so much population will eventually burdened their economy. Because whatever you like, poor people are liability. You need educated middle income people as the motor for your economy.
 

Hendrik_2000

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One more thing to consider:

It is projected 13 million people will be born in China this year, 20 million will be born in India.

China's population base and thus market size potential will eventually be much smaller than India's.

China's working age population is starting to shrink and its overall population will shrink soon after, following Japan. Even if you add SEA, the entire East/Southeast Asia region's population as a share of world population is set to steadily shrink this century.

Over the long term this will weaken China if it cannot find allies or other markets.

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Having more mouth to feed is not automatically advantage. Depending on the quality of the population With low literacy and poor social service and job opportunity More people is more of burden think of pollution, crime rate, slum and political instability. depletion of resource, environment degradation etc

As the country get rich it is natural for fertility rate to drop . More opportunity for women mean they don't have to be domestic slave and babies factory
What is important is having better educated population for better value added economy and better productivity and innovation.
China has the right policy of expanding tertiary education and expanding access to it to larger population The fact speak for itself China is in the process to upgrade her industrial base resulting in higher GDP and living standard
 

gadgetcool5

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Give me an example then.

Because I've already asked myself that question before.

And there's nothing that China can credibly espouse in terms of universal values, in the face of the US narrative.

That is too defeatist. China is not such a depraved country that it is doomed to be inferior to the US on everything. There are plenty of areas that China does better, or can do better, than the US. If you don't believe that, then there's nothing to discuss, because you've already surrendered the whole war at the beginning.
 

gadgetcool5

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Having more mouth to feed is not automatically advantage. Depending on the quality of the population With low literacy and poor social service and job opportunity More people is more of burden think of pollution, crime rate, slum and political instability. depletion of resource, environment degradation etc

As the country get rich it is natural for fertility rate to drop . More opportunity for women mean they don't have to be domestic slave and babies factory
What is important is having better educated population for better value added economy and better productivity and innovation.
China has the right policy of expanding tertiary education and expanding access to it to larger population The fact speak for itself China is in the process to upgrade her industrial base resulting in higher GDP and living standard

But you admit that a smaller population means less national power and less market power, even if the population is highly educated and works high skilled job, right?

Singapore has a highly educated and skilled population, but it is not a world power by any means.

The only reason China can even think of success independent of the US is that it has a large population.

What, in your view would be the ideal population level for China?
 

AndrewS

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How much longer do we have to listen to this talk of "taking the high road"?

There is so much dirt on the US that can be used to win the narrative battle, yet ppl like u never want to use. It because "it would ruin the Chinese US relationship."

1) the relationship was already ruined the moment China chose to continue being an illiberal state while challenging US hegemony. If u don't understand this u don't understand Murican elites.

2) Who are u trying to convince by being the nice guy here? U won't convince Muricans with that attitude. Won't convince Euros, other Asians, Hispanics, blacks or other races lmao. People want to see you dunk on fools, not wag ur finger at "uncivilized behavior"

China takes the high road, because it is in China's interests.

China can't win a narrative in the USA or Anglosphere media. China can only delay until China can break out and completely ignore them.

And contrary to what you think, the high road does work.

What do you call it when Xi Jinping receive a standing ovation from the WHO?
Or when Europe applauds Xi Jinping's defence of globalisation at Davos?

Taking the High Road keeps the rest of the world neutral.

In comparison, remember how China tried to blame the coronavirus on the USA a few months back.
It infuriated the Europeans and directly resulted in a harsher atmosphere against Huawei in the UK for example.
 

AndrewS

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That is too defeatist. China is not such a depraved country that it is doomed to be inferior to the US on everything. There are plenty of areas that China does better, or can do better, than the US. If you don't believe that, then there's nothing to discuss, because you've already surrendered the whole war at the beginning.

Stop avoiding the question about what universal values you would have China push as a Chinese narrative.

If you can't even come up with one example that you can successfully defend, then your entire argument and strategy doesn't work.

And if you haven't noticed from my past posts in various threads, I believe that China will far superior to the USA when China catches up in the future.

But the reality today is that 40% of the Chinese population still struggles to make a living, as per Li Keqiang.
 

gadgetcool5

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Stop avoiding the question about what universal values you would have China push as a Chinese narrative.

If you can't even come up with one example that you can successfully defend, then your entire argument and strategy doesn't work.

Because you have already told me you think China can't defend anything. In that case it's pointless to discuss it with you.
 

AndrewS

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One more thing to consider:

It is projected 13 million people will be born in China this year, 20 million will be born in India.

China's population base and thus market size potential will eventually be much smaller than India's.

China's working age population is starting to shrink and its overall population will shrink soon after, following Japan. Even if you add SEA, the entire East/Southeast Asia region's population as a share of world population is set to steadily shrink this century.

Over the long term this will weaken China if it cannot find allies or other markets.

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China has already captured the world's markets for most categories of goods.
And what do you think the globe-spanning BRI initiative is, if not to develop future markets and find allies?

And I think you're overestimating India.

Whilst India will have more people than China, India looks very much like Brazil which is stuck in the middle-income trap.
In comparison, China looks like the other East Asian Economic Tigers who are all part of the cultural Confucian Sinosphere, and which have all escaped the middle-income trap to become wealthy hi-tech societies.

Just look at the indicators such as education, infrastructure, governance, linguistic/ethnic/religious cohesion, R&D spending etc etc
 

KYli

Brigadier
And how effective is RT?

RT is as effective as it gets when we still live in the liberal international order. I think focusing on countries that are not Anglo-sphere might be a good way to win friends.

In comparison, remember how China tried to blame the coronavirus on the USA a few months back.
It infuriated the Europeans and directly resulted in a harsher atmosphere against Huawei in the UK for example.

Actually, the counterattack by China is very effective. It has neutralized the US offensive of accusing Wuhan lab as the source of the outbreak. The US and Pompeo have even claimed that it is a Chinese bio weapon. China's offensive might create resentment from the Europe but it has effectively ended the US narrative outside of the US sphere of influence. I think it is a small price to pay for debunking the much more sinister accusation from the US.
 
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