Hendrik_2000
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China continue with build up of helicopter pad infrastructure all along India border Here is one from Golmud
Here at Aksai Chin
Here at Aksai Chin
China and India relationship
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These new airfields will be very useful against india once taiwan gets taken care off !!
No. You're proposing China invades India? These airfields are mere expansions in an effort to allow an increased PLAAF presence in the south western region. They are to reinforce PLA defences against any would be Indian action. They serve no purpose for being "very useful against India" unless you're talking about being useful against Indian invasion.
PLA has no desire to invade India. That would be pointless and a waste of resources with absolutely nothing to gain out of it. PLA has managed to hold onto Aksai Chin and even kicked the Indians off their last remaining patrolled parts. Albeit they are still on a few places with some presence but off Pangong and most of Galwan in terms of not being able to step foot on them any more due to agreements they signed in recent negotiations.
That means the Indians have now won exactly 0% out of the legacy dispute and China has won 80% (Aksai Chin) and the remaining 20% is to converted to a buffer (still to be completed though). At most a PLA mission in pushing further would only be to secure 100% of China's claims rather than just further reinforce the 80% it has been controlling since the 20th century.
Taiwan getting taken care of? I hope there will be no mainland forced military reunification of Taiwan. What a waste that would be. Taiwan would be peacefully reunified within 2 or 3 generations. That's nothing at all.
you are still underestimating CHINA !!
80%? Bro u heard of south tibet?
Quit it with the riddles. Say what you mean clearly.
The red line enclosed spaces (all shaded areas) represent India and China's claims (more or less both claims are fairly similar but differ very slightly) in their totality and represent the space being disputed.
The shaded red is now further under Chinese control and more or less has been since 1960s.
The Green shaded used to be patrolled by India and China as it is the "20% remaining dispute". India's ex four star General admitted that India "patrolled more than 10 times as frequently as China did" and now the green shaded parts are either a buffer or under stand off to be converted to buffer just like Pangong and Galwan bits have been (within these green parts).
Essentially all the shaded stuff (representing India's claims) are out of India's control with the red part (80%) being Chinese control.
So the objective of preventing India from "recapturing Aksai Chin with blood" - Amit Shah (Indian idiot who happens to be a pretty important minister lol) is met as Aksai Chin is firmly out of Indian grasp and if they tried invading China, they'd get flatlined within days. China has thousands of pieces of extremely good and guided artillery to India's dozens. IAF has numerical advantage but hopeless SEAD and DEAD and India has little air defence worth mentioning for now until their MRSAM and Akash NG are in significant service numbers. Python missile (Spyder system) and Akash are very limited in usefulness and numbers.
The most "aggressive" PLA and China could potentially be with India is only taking control as well of the green shaded parts. This would be potentially unwise and invite Indian aggression which would be counter to China's long term objectives of completing development peacefully i.e. without going to full all out kinetic war with anyone or participating in any wars.
India has lost 100% of their legacy claims but still has some token presence within some green shaded parts which are matters yet unresolved. China has won 80% and the 20% went from being infested with IA patrols to mostly becoming buffers. PLA has some token presence within the green shaded as well since India is in there. China is currently negotiating for buffer for the areas where IA troop presence remain. But most of it has been won and over.
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You do not take everything away from a cornered dog. Particularly when it is being led by a moron. Making India's could be 0% into an actual 0% result is going to justify India opening fire and that is only a waste of time and resources for China. China isn't aiming to wrestle in the dirt with the bottom of the barrel. It has its sights on finishing development which it is only around half way through. It needed to stop Indian increased patrols and mirror build up and it's achieved that - India no longer patrols Pangong or Galwan at all and building up has stopped. China still builds up in Aksai Chin and reinforces nearby bases. That's enough to stop India from considering war.
I got something different from the article.
These 30 airports (with heliports) are a perfect example of Civil-Military fusion working together for dual aims of defense and development, the two brilliantly reinforce each other.
The PLA is reserving seats and cargo on civilian airlines that will plow the hundreds of air routes these airports open up, making them actually financially viable. It means anywhere in Tibet or XUAR border regions will be reachable in mere hours from anywhere else in China.
These airports, made viable by the PLA, will help to develop Chinas border regions, it is civilians and tourists that will mostly use these airports over time, increasing the populations of these areas.
How could India even think of invading if Chinas borders are developed and populated with millions?
Ok i get what u mean, but that is only one region. Literally go search south tibet on google, the whole area is like 3 times the size of aksai chin and is currently under indian control, China is barely controlling 20+% of all the disputed lands with india.
Edit part: First to properly answer your question of why it's under Indian control, it has always been under Indian control since independence because tldr AP has only ever been claimed by China to get the Indians to release their claim on Aksai Chin during the 1960s war and still kept as a claim by China since India still keeps Aksai Chin on claim. That's all. AP has never been a part of Tibet or China.
Some people (Indians and either misinformed Chinese and Tibetans or ultra nationalistic Chinese) define parts of India as "south Tibet". There is only Arunachal Pradesh and surrounding areas that are a disputed land. It is difficult to say whether they are Indian or Chinese (i.e. Tibetan = Chinese) or other like Nepal Bhutan etc because this region's history has always been a middle ground kingdom but one that was never a part of China. So... what's left for China's "claim" is really just the geography.
On Ladakh side of Tibet/Xinjiang, China has managed to secure 80% of the legacy dispute and convert nearly 20% of it from being increasingly traveled by Indian soldiers to being a buffer zone between India proper and Aksai Chin (the 80%). India on the other hand has managed to secure 0% of this legacy dispute. Therefore the "need" for PLA pushing forwards is entirely absent since India controls 0% of it although remains with presence on some parts of that 20% that has yet to be converted into an agreed buffer like other parts of the 20% (Pangong lake surrounds and Galwan/hot springs/gogra)
On Arunachal Pradesh, it is the only major piece of land that is "part of Tibet" that remains in Indian control. Let me show you Tibet on a map and you can see for yourself how much of it is China and how much of it is India.
This yellow part (AP) is the "south Tibet" you are referring to?
Red is Chinese Tibet and yellow is Indian Tibet. Aksai Chin is Chinese, green is now buffer or negotiating to become buffer. India has one permanent military installation in AP (yellow) within it as far as I'm aware, that being Tawang Air Base at the left most section of AP.
Personally I do not consider AP to be a part of Tibet at all. It was the current Dalai Lama who suddenly claimed AP as being part of Tibet back in the early 2000s which re-sparked this idea of AP being a part of Tibet. Tibet has the borders of the Himalayas and the only break in this is AP? Yeah, no. AP is more "Indian" indeed.
The Himalayan ranges form a naturally border. I do not believe this area of the world has ever truly been a part of Tibet despite obvious cultural exchanges and flows. That does not constitute sovereignty. This region has always been like Nepal and Bhutan, an obvious middle ground but India is a big collection of old and VERY separate kingdoms forced together by the Mughals and then by the British in various forms. Therefore the blurred lines.
If you look at history, China's aim was always Aksai Chin. During the first border disputes when the British left India and failed to properly demarcate or demarcated along lines that were highly contentious, China constantly claimed Arunachal Pradesh just so it can "swap" it for Aksai Chin. It offered to drop claims on AP in exchange for India giving China Aksai Chin.
The issue with this (from India's POV) is that India always controlled AP and it was always a part of British India land governed by the Raj. China merely said if you don't agree that Aksai Chin actually is Tibet/Xinjiang, then I will claim AP but now I'll offer to drop the claim if you grant Aksai Chin. Aksai Chin was always the main focus because it was the one that the Brits granted to India which China didn't agree with. China couldn't have cared less for AP back in those days.
Now with Dalai Lama claiming that AP is Tibet, China suddenly has "greater reason" to claim it. This would be dependent on strategic thinking inside China. Whether or not they consider AP to be a threat to China if India militarises the land. It is far closer to Chinese population centres than Aksai Chin but for some reason considered to be far less strategically valuable, even going back as far as the 1960s.
Of course the Chinese truly regard Aksai China as China and they have extremely good reasons for, even arguably better than Indian ones. As for AP, personally I think India has much better reasons and the idea that AP was and is part of Tibet really fails the smell test.
How on earth can AP be part of Tibet if it is beyond the Himalayan ranges and the border from Xinjiang/Tibet/Ladakh start of Himalayan ranges and to this point of AP, is part of the southern nations. AP has served as negotiation tool back in the 1960s for China and it has shown no desire to really make the dispute escalate for AP despite Dalai Lama claiming it in 2003. Since then, there's been nowhere near as much drama as Ladakh has. Why? Because of BRI CPEC etc but mainly because Aksai Chin actually is part of Tibet/Xinjiang, quite unlike AP.
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