China and India relationship


FangYuan

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I take the view that China has much more to gain with a divided and weakened India much as the Anglo US benefits from a divided and weak, cartel ridden Mexico and latin america.

Indian mouthpieces believe they can prosper at China's expense. They should be disabused of this notion.

Indians are very arrogant. They are weaker and inferior to China in all aspects, but are extremely aggressive and despise China

I cannot imagine what would have happened if India was equal or stronger than China. Hostility will turn into action and China will face another threat
 

ansy1968

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Indians are very arrogant. They are weaker and inferior to China in all aspects, but are extremely aggressive and despise China

I cannot imagine what would have happened if India was equal or stronger than China. Hostility will turn into action and China will face another threat
@FangYuan A simple answer its JEALOUSY, nothing more nothing less, that is were hatred came from. They begrudge China success cause they see themselves as their competitor only losing big time in all aspect of development. You may see the same thing from the Americans as the competition with the Chinese increases, instead of working hard and accept the challenge, they whine cause they can't compete.
 

ansy1968

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America carved up and crippled South America due to it's imperialistic and hegemonic nature - both those concepts are contrary to the Marxist-Leninism socialist ideology on which the CCP operates on. We don't believe in crushing nations and civilizations. Period. Even when the PLA captured Indian soldiers after the skirmish, we treated them with decency and respect before handing them back to India unharmed once the dust was settled.

Beijing harbors no desires for global dominance, it is completely possible to be a global leader and become a sphere of influence without domination. Beijing only seeks to improve the lives of Chinese people, and to idealistically use what it produces in excess to benefit the Asia-Pacific neighbors to win over influence in the region. Beijing don't have to weaken or dominate their neighbors to win over respect. Outside of the 1962 war with India and the 1979 war with Vietnam, China has managed to rise as a global superpower through peaceful and diplomatic means - alas the CCP present an alternative form of governance and leadership as compared to the endless wars and dominance the Anglo-sphere presents.
@crash8pilot Having experience ruling over 1.4 billion people, I think the Chinese don't want an additional head ache of having a hegemonic agenda...LOL
 

hashtagpls

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America carved up and crippled South America due to it's imperialistic and hegemonic nature - both those concepts are contrary to the Marxist-Leninism socialist ideology on which the CCP operates on. We don't believe in crushing nations and civilizations. Period. Even when the PLA captured Indian soldiers after the skirmish, we treated them with decency and respect before handing them back to India unharmed once the dust was settled.

Beijing harbors no desires for global dominance, it is completely possible to be a global leader and become a sphere of influence without domination. Beijing only seeks to improve the lives of Chinese people, and to idealistically use what it produces in excess to benefit the Asia-Pacific neighbors to win over influence in the region. Beijing don't have to weaken or dominate their neighbors to win over respect. Outside of the 1962 war with India and the 1979 war with Vietnam, China has managed to rise as a global superpower through peaceful and diplomatic means - alas the CCP present an alternative form of governance and leadership as compared to the endless wars and dominance the Anglo-sphere presents.
Modern Indians are the true children of the British Raj, they don't view us Chinese through the same humanistic lens as the CCP operates. Rather, they view us through the racist, caste driven structure of the Raj. Modern India is the very definition of the traitor who goes to other side in hopes of becoming a lapdog of the oppressor.

Even worse, there is a growing tide of fascist indians who are more than willing to make war on China for the benefit of the anglo white Five Eyes. Rather than relying on the tender mercies of such entities, or even adopting the Ah Q noble loser mentality, it would be a dereliction of duty for the Chinese state to simply rely on the mouthed platitude of indian leaders who have bank accounts and homes and investments in the Anglosphere.
 
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weig2000

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The venerable Indian diplomat M. K. Bhadrakumar parses Modi's statement at the Quad virtual summit, and asesses the quandary of Biden administration's Indo-Pacific strategy.

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India hasn’t had a prime minister to match Narendra Modi in his grasp of the power of speaking with purpose to connect with his listeners. When he speaks on foreign policy issues, however, Modi uses communication skills of a certain kind where he doesn’t have to build to a crescendo and he’d much rather leave a record for lasting impression.

Modi’s
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at the landmark first-ever summit meeting of the Quad on Friday is a case in point. What comes to mind is a book that I picked up at Mumbai airport many years ago titled SAY IT LIKE OBAMA by Shel Leanne who used to be a full faculty member at Harvard. It focuses on the communicative power of Barack Obama — a “mixture of Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy”.

Modi’s communication skills are of a different kind. He lacks Obama’s deep baritone and his communication techniques of backward loops and symbolism and his inspiring, compelling eloquence. But Modi created a strong non-conformist first impression at the Quad summit.

Modi’s remarks added up to just 105 words — in comparison with his voluble American counterpart Joe Biden’s 560 words, his ebullient Australian counterpart Scott Morrison’s 295 words and the taciturn Japanese PM Yoshihide Suga’s 215 words. Conceivably, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar advised the PM beforehand that discretion would be the better part of valour. This is the first thing.

Truly, India gains nothing out of irritating China at this point in time. Probably, it’d have much to lose. Besides, it’s surreal to get excited about a US enterprise that the Asia-Pacific refuses to identify with. This is aside the wisdom of aligning with Biden’s ambivalent, contrarian attitudes toward China. Unsurprisingly, America’s close European allies refuse to identify with the US approach.

An incisive
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last week summed up: “EU is looking for a strategic balance in relations with Beijing and Washington that ensures the bloc is not so closely allied with one of the world’s two big powers that it alienates the other… But the EU is hungry for new trade and sees the Indo-Pacific as offering huge potential.”

The report quoted a EU diplomat as saying that the US has “a hawkish agenda against China, which is not our agenda”. This is the crux of the matter. One doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out why Biden slipped into his Quad wardrobe so early into his presidency.

Last week, Biden’s aides were extending an invitation to high-level Chinese officials for strategic talks. Biden is in tearing hurry to engage with the Chinese leadership, although the US has far from coordinated with its allies a common strategy towards China, his passion for trans-atlanticism notwithstanding.

The heart of the matter is that Biden has successfully signed into law his $1.9 Trillion American Rescue Package. This would be in addition to previous $900 billion stimulus packages he announced in January. Biden said on Thursday, “The crisis of deep human suffering is in plain sight.” In a call to immediate action to turn things around, he added, “There’s no time to waste. We have to act and we have to act now.”

Biden’s American Rescue Plan is broadly popular with voters but at its core, it is about living on borrowed money in ways that will do little to improve the nation’s long-term economic outlook. The overall federal debt is expected to climb to 102% of GDP this year! The point is, deficit-financed spending now on a short-term relief package could make it harder for the Biden administration to find money later for long-term investments in things like infrastructure.

Enter China. The economies of the US and China are intricately linked, due to the two nations sharing a large trading partnership of goods and services and investment. The US deficit is financed partly by capital flows from China. China holds more US Treasury securities than any other foreign country except Japan. According to the US Treasury, China owned $1.06 trillion in US debt securities as of Sept. 2020.

Clearly, the huge influence of the Chinese economy on Biden’s calculus cannot be understated. China is the only show in town for his ambitious project encapsulated in that very widely used expression
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where he has openly telegraphed his role model to be FDR’s New Deal, which is riveted on the famous “Three Rs” — relief (for the unemployed), recovery (through federal spending and job creation), and reform (of capitalism by means of regulatory legislation and creation of new social welfare programs).

Biden desperately needs the
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on March 18-19 with top Chinese diplomats to reset the US-China relationship. But the paradox is that he is also not ready to let go the containment strategy against China that the Beltway demands, although it has no takers abroad among America’s friends and allies. Simply put, the US has a tactical need to keep the Quad going while it resets the ties with China.

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To be continued ...
 

weig2000

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... Continued from above

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This is where Modi’s remarks show smart thinking. He stated: “Excellencies, we are united by our democratic values and our commitment to a free, open, and inclusive Indo-Pacific. Our agenda today — covering areas like vaccines, climate change, and emerging technologies — make the Quad a force for global good.”

“I see this positive vision as an extension of India’s ancient philosophy of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, which regards the world as one family. We will work together, closer than ever before, for advancing our shared values and promoting a secure, stable, and prosperous Indo-Pacific.”

“Today’s summit meeting shows that Quad had come of age. It will now remain an important pillar of stability in the region.”

Modi stated the minimum that was necessary for the occasion. Evidently, Modi enjoys claiming affinity with Biden in “democratic values”. It has its uses too. Biden is a tough, wily, unsentimental partner. (The
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a scathing UNHRC resolution condemning authoritarianism and repression in Egypt under President Sisi — and is threatening to impose arms embargo against that close ally bordering Israel.)

Second, Modi repeated “our commitment to a free, open, and inclusive Indo-Pacific”. It is Biden’s prerogative as the self-appointed Quad chairman to drop the word “inclusive” from the joint statement, but for Modi it is important not to attribute any exclusivity to Quad as if it is directed against China.

Modi noted the “agenda” for the summit’s deliberations — vaccines, climate change, and emerging technologies — and expressed confidence that such a purposive development agenda would “make the Quad a force for global good.” In essence, he flagged India’s vision of the Quad. Does it look like “Asian NATO”?

Equally, Modi struck a philosophical note: “I see this positive vision as an extension of India’s ancient philosophy of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam, which regards the world as one family.” In Modi’s conception, the Quad family can accommodate Marxist-Leninists and capitalists alike.

Modi sounded pleased that the Quad has “come of age”, finally. The plan to finance a brand new ultra-modern vaccine factory in India testifies to maturity. Modi hoped that the Quad “will now remain an important pillar of stability in the region.” Interestingly, in his entire remarks, Modi never once mentioned regional security.

Indeed, Modi’s expectation will be that the newly set-up
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will also make investments in “Make in India” projects. However, everything Biden does has a domestic resonance. The Quad isn’t a seductive enough topic for American domestic opinion.
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turned out to be a damp squib!

For Biden too, this summit has been quintessentially a useful catch-up on vaccine-diplomacy, as
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, to push back against intense pressure to donate excess coronavirus vaccines to needy nations “without risking domestic political blowback from exporting doses in the coming months, as Americans clamour for their shots.” China, India and Russia have hopelessly outmatched the US in vaccine diplomacy. Biden is facing
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from global health advocates.

In the final analysis, of course, Beijing has since outwitted Biden by simply scaling up its vaccine production capacity
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that his Quad vaccine project cannot possibly compete with.
 

hashtagpls

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China shouldn't invest too much into India; when China was at its direst situation in 2020, India took the opportunity to kick us when we were down.
China is run by more humane people, but if it were up to me, i'd be in favour of the Syrianisation of India.
 

ansy1968

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China shouldn't invest too much into India; when China was at its direst situation in 2020, India took the opportunity to kick us when we were down.
China is run by more humane people, but if it were up to me, i'd be in favour of the Syrianisation of India.
@hashtagpls bro that article stated an Indian point of view, as usual they pointed their importance, but for the US they're a pawn cause they had nothing to offer, strategically they are a liability. With the current situation America is in they need allies to fight the war for them and who is stupid enough to take that offer....ahhh yes borrowing the quote from Bill Maher the silly Indians...LOL
 

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