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Tam

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What do you guys think is the best looking PLA ship?

I have a soft spot for the 054 non-A version. It just looks right to me


054a by contrast looks like it's missing something right behind the main gun. 052D/055 look too sterile.


Type 054 is one of my favorite ships in terms of appearance. Also top in my favorites is the 052B. I also like the 056/056A. In fact I am always more excited to see new Type 056/056A pictures than another blurry airborne shot of the 003 under construction.
 

Andy1974

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What do you guys think is the best looking PLA ship?

I have a soft spot for the 054 non-A version. It just looks right to me


054a by contrast looks like it's missing something right behind the main gun. 052D/055 look too sterile.
I love the Type 022 and I think it has a big role to play.
 

SunlitZelkova

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How are the fleets of the PLAN organized? I.e. flotillas, squadrons etc.

Just searching in English, the latest info I could find was from 2007.
 

lee670523

Just Hatched
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Hi guys, I have a question about the tonnage measurement.

I have heard there are several units to measure tonnage, the metric ton, the short ton and the long ton.

For US carriers like Nimitz class and Ford class, which unit do they use? Thanks!
 

Volpler11

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How useful would having plenty of smaller ships contribute towards building officer reserves for the larger ship? With the rapid growth of plan ship count, i would imagine it will be limited by the number of qualified captains and other personals. Would having lots of smaller ships help to give more training opportunities and allow more people to be tested to find the best.

In another word does is it one purpose of having frigates is to train officers for destoryers.
 

Suetham

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I did estimation work. I hope you like it or help me fix possible errors. The composition of the PLAN fleet by the beginning of 2022 of ships launched from shipyards and commissioned will be as follows: 302 naval units of the battle fleet - 2,089,800 tonnage.

1 CVF Type 001 - 65,000 tons
1 CVF Type 002 - 65,000 tons
1 CV Type 003 - 85,000 tons
8 CCG Type 055 - 13,000 tons (104,000)
2 DDG Type 052B - 7,500 tons (15,000)
6 DDG Type 052C - 7,500 tons (45,000)
25 DDG Type 052D - 7,500 tons(187,500)
2 DDG Type 052A - 4,800 tons (9,600)
2 DDG Type 051C - 7,500 tons (15,000)
1 DDG Type 051B - 6,700 tons
4 DDG Sovremenny - 6,500 tons (26,000)
30 FFG Type 054A - 4,000 tons (120,000)
2 FFG Type 054 - 4,000 tons (8,000)
7 FFG Type 053H3 - 2,200 tons (15,400)
4 FFG Type 053H1G - 2,200 tons (8,800)
1 FFG Type 053H1 - 2000 tons
50 FFL Type 056A - 1,800 tons(90,000)
22 FFL Type 056 - 1,800 tons (39,600)
8 SSK Kilo 636 M - 3,100 tons (24,800)
2 SSK Kilo 636 - 3,100 tons (6200)
2 SSK Kilo 877EKM - 3,100 tons (6200)
3 SSK Type 039C(Newly modified version of Type 039B) - 2,300 tons(6,900)
14 SSK Type 039B - 2,300 tons(32,200)
3 SSK Type 039A(or Type 041) - 1,900 tons (5,700)
13 SSK Type 039 - 2,200 tons(28,600)
5 SSK Type 035B - 2,200 tons(11,000)
11 SSK Type 035G - 2,200 tons(24,200)
2 SSK Type 035A - 2,200 tons (4,400)
1 SSB Type 032 - 3,800 tons
4 SSN Type 093A - 7,000 tons (28,000)
2 SSN Type 093 - 7,000 tons(14,000)
6 SSBN Type 094 - 11,000 tons (66,000)
3 LHD Type 075 - 40,000 tons(120,000)
8 LPD Type 071 - 25,000 tons(200,000)
15 LSD Type 072A - 4,800 tons (72,000)
10 LSD Type 072III - 7,000 tons (70,000)
4 LSD Type 072II - 4,800 tons(19,200)
2 AEFS Type 901 - 48,000 tons (96,000)
2 AKS Type 904B - 15,000 tons(30,000)
1 AKS Type 904A - 15,000 tons
1 AKS Type 904 - 11,000 tons
8 AEFS Type 903A - 25,000 tons(200,000)
2 AEFS Type 903 - 25,000 tons (50,000)
1 AEFS Type 908 - 37,000 tons

Note: Analysis considering the main naval units of the PLAN, excluding the 100-1,500 ton naval units. The commissioning of all Type 056/A corvettes will compulsorily deactivate all Type 053 frigates, but they are still active in service in the PLAN. Type 035 SSKs are already being retired within the next few years. Removing SSKs and corvettes, the number of naval units with oceanic capacity is currently around 165 ships. Within 2030-2035 it is possible for the PLAN to equal both in oceanic capacity and in total displacement of naval units, even considering the increase in the American naval plan announced some time ago, because the considerable increase in the production of naval units of the Type 052DL is expected , Type 055B, Type 093B, Type 075B as well as the likely construction of the Type 076, the total tonnage of the USN today is around 3.2 to 3.5 million tons, that means the PLAN is at 1.5 million of tons of weight displaced from the USN, for the estimated plan until 2035, if the USN maintains a similar number, the PLAN would need to launch 100,000 annually by 2035, keeping the same ships or increasing production in some units to compensate for the withdrawal from service. of some decommissioned units, currently in the PLAN, military naval production annually throws around 150,000-200,000 tons, in the period 2014-2017 China threw over 600,000 tons, which ue is equivalent to throwing 150,000 tons into the sea in each of the four years.
 

Suetham

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I did estimation work. I hope you like it or help me fix possible errors. The composition of the PLAN fleet by the beginning of 2022 of ships launched from shipyards and commissioned will be as follows: 302 naval units of the battle fleet - 2,089,800 tonnage.

1 CVF Type 001 - 65,000 tons
1 CVF Type 002 - 65,000 tons
1 CV Type 003 - 85,000 tons
8 CCG Type 055 - 13,000 tons (104,000)
2 DDG Type 052B - 7,500 tons (15,000)
6 DDG Type 052C - 7,500 tons (45,000)
25 DDG Type 052D - 7,500 tons(187,500)
2 DDG Type 052A - 4,800 tons (9,600)
2 DDG Type 051C - 7,500 tons (15,000)
1 DDG Type 051B - 6,700 tons
4 DDG Sovremenny - 6,500 tons (26,000)
30 FFG Type 054A - 4,000 tons (120,000)
2 FFG Type 054 - 4,000 tons (8,000)
7 FFG Type 053H3 - 2,200 tons (15,400)
4 FFG Type 053H1G - 2,200 tons (8,800)
1 FFG Type 053H1 - 2000 tons
50 FFL Type 056A - 1,800 tons(90,000)
22 FFL Type 056 - 1,800 tons (39,600)
8 SSK Kilo 636 M - 3,100 tons (24,800)
2 SSK Kilo 636 - 3,100 tons (6200)
2 SSK Kilo 877EKM - 3,100 tons (6200)
3 SSK Type 039C(Newly modified version of Type 039B) - 2,300 tons(6,900)
14 SSK Type 039B - 2,300 tons(32,200)
3 SSK Type 039A(or Type 041) - 1,900 tons (5,700)
13 SSK Type 039 - 2,200 tons(28,600)
5 SSK Type 035B - 2,200 tons(11,000)
11 SSK Type 035G - 2,200 tons(24,200)
2 SSK Type 035A - 2,200 tons (4,400)
1 SSB Type 032 - 3,800 tons
4 SSN Type 093A - 7,000 tons (28,000)
2 SSN Type 093 - 7,000 tons(14,000)
6 SSBN Type 094 - 11,000 tons (66,000)
3 LHD Type 075 - 40,000 tons(120,000)
8 LPD Type 071 - 25,000 tons(200,000)
15 LSD Type 072A - 4,800 tons (72,000)
10 LSD Type 072III - 7,000 tons (70,000)
4 LSD Type 072II - 4,800 tons(19,200)
2 AEFS Type 901 - 48,000 tons (96,000)
2 AKS Type 904B - 15,000 tons(30,000)
1 AKS Type 904A - 15,000 tons
1 AKS Type 904 - 11,000 tons
8 AEFS Type 903A - 25,000 tons(200,000)
2 AEFS Type 903 - 25,000 tons (50,000)
1 AEFS Type 908 - 37,000 tons

Note: Analysis considering the main naval units of the PLAN, excluding the 100-1,500 ton naval units. The commissioning of all Type 056/A corvettes will compulsorily deactivate all Type 053 frigates, but they are still active in service in the PLAN. Type 035 SSKs are already being retired within the next few years. Removing SSKs and corvettes, the number of naval units with oceanic capacity is currently around 165 ships. Within 2030-2035 it is possible for the PLAN to equal both in oceanic capacity and in total displacement of naval units, even considering the increase in the American naval plan announced some time ago, because the considerable increase in the production of naval units of the Type 052DL is expected , Type 055B, Type 093B, Type 075B as well as the likely construction of the Type 076, the total tonnage of the USN today is around 3.2 to 3.5 million tons, that means the PLAN is at 1.5 million of tons of weight displaced from the USN, for the estimated plan until 2035, if the USN maintains a similar number, the PLAN would need to launch 100,000 annually by 2035, keeping the same ships or increasing production in some units to compensate for the withdrawal from service. of some decommissioned units, currently in the PLAN, military naval production annually throws around 150,000-200,000 tons, in the period 2014-2017 China threw over 600,000 tons, which ue is equivalent to throwing 150,000 tons into the sea in each of the four years.
Following the reasoning, making an estimate for the PLAN fleet until 2035:

1 CVF Type 001 - 65,000 tons
1 CVF Type 002 - 65,000 tons
2 CV Type 003 - 85,000 tons(170,000)
2 CVN Type 004 - 100,000 tons(200,000)
9 CCG Type 055B - 13,000 tons (117,000)
24 CCG Type 055 - 13,000 tons (312,000)
10 DDG Type 052DL - 7,500 tons (75,000)
50 DDG Type 052D - 7,500 tons (375,000)
6 DDG Type 052C - 7,500 tons (45,000)
10 FFG Type 054B - 4,500 tons (45,000)
50 FFG Type 054A - 4,000 tons(200,000)
2 FFG Type 054 - 4,000 tons (8,000)
50 FFL Type 056A - 1,800 tons(90,000)
22 FFL Type 056 - 1,800 tons (39,600)
8 SSK Kilo 636 M - 3,100 tons (24,800)
22 SSK Type 039C - 2,300 tons(50,600)
14 SSK Type 039B - 2,300 tons(32,200)
3 SSK Type 039A(or Type 041) - 1,900 tons (5,700)
13 SSK Type 039 - 2,200 tons(28,600)
5 SSB Type 032 - 3,800 tons(19,000)
6 SSGN Type 095 - 7,900 tons (47,400)
12 SSN Type 093B - 7,000 tons (84,000)
4 SSN Type 093A - 7,000 tons (28,000)
2 SSN Type 093 - 7,000 tons(14,000)
4 SSBN Type 096 - 16,000 tons (64,000)
8 SSBN Type 094 - 11,000 tons (88,000)
3 LHA Type 076 - 48,000 tons(135,000)
1 LHD Type 075B - 45,000 tons
8 LHD Type 075 - 40,000 tons (320,000)
8 LPD Type 071B - 25,000 tons(200,000)
8 LPD Type 071 - 25,000 tons(200,000)
15 LSD Type 072A - 4,800 tons (72,000)
10 AEFS Type 901A - 48,000 tons (480,000)
2 AEFS Type 901 - 48,000 tons (96,000)
2 AKS Type 904B - 15,000 tons(30,000)
1 AKS Type 904A - 15,000 tons
1 AKS Type 904 - 11,000 tons
8 AEFS Type 903A - 25,000 tons(200,000)
2 AEFS Type 903 - 25,000 tons (50,000)

= 4.146.900 tonnage

Analysis considering the main PLAN naval units, excluding the 100-1,500 ton naval units. Removing the SSKs and corvettes, the number of naval units with oceanic capacity is around 272 ships. That number is pretty close to what USN Rear Admiral Michael McDevitt claims. Retired USN Rear Admiral Michael A. McDevitt made an estimate that I find very interesting, the PLAN would have 270 blue water ships by 2035. The next 15 years will be 140 blue water ships launched to increase the ship count and some to replace the old ones, this mix will include 5 to 6 NAe in 15 years. In addition to the 270 ships with blue water capacity, they will have an average of 160 smaller ships to operate in nearby seas, this will give the PLAN a force of 430 ships, by far the largest in the world and will certainly be world class.
 

Yodello

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I did estimation work. I hope you like it or help me fix possible errors. The composition of the PLAN fleet by the beginning of 2022 of ships launched from shipyards and commissioned will be as follows: 302 naval units of the battle fleet - 2,089,800 tonnage.

1 CVF Type 001 - 65,000 tons
1 CVF Type 002 - 65,000 tons
1 CV Type 003 - 85,000 tons
8 CCG Type 055 - 13,000 tons (104,000)
2 DDG Type 052B - 7,500 tons (15,000)
6 DDG Type 052C - 7,500 tons (45,000)
25 DDG Type 052D - 7,500 tons(187,500)
2 DDG Type 052A - 4,800 tons (9,600)
2 DDG Type 051C - 7,500 tons (15,000)
1 DDG Type 051B - 6,700 tons
4 DDG Sovremenny - 6,500 tons (26,000)
30 FFG Type 054A - 4,000 tons (120,000)
2 FFG Type 054 - 4,000 tons (8,000)
7 FFG Type 053H3 - 2,200 tons (15,400)
4 FFG Type 053H1G - 2,200 tons (8,800)
1 FFG Type 053H1 - 2000 tons
50 FFL Type 056A - 1,800 tons(90,000)
22 FFL Type 056 - 1,800 tons (39,600)
8 SSK Kilo 636 M - 3,100 tons (24,800)
2 SSK Kilo 636 - 3,100 tons (6200)
2 SSK Kilo 877EKM - 3,100 tons (6200)
3 SSK Type 039C(Newly modified version of Type 039B) - 2,300 tons(6,900)
14 SSK Type 039B - 2,300 tons(32,200)
3 SSK Type 039A(or Type 041) - 1,900 tons (5,700)
13 SSK Type 039 - 2,200 tons(28,600)
5 SSK Type 035B - 2,200 tons(11,000)
11 SSK Type 035G - 2,200 tons(24,200)
2 SSK Type 035A - 2,200 tons (4,400)
1 SSB Type 032 - 3,800 tons
4 SSN Type 093A - 7,000 tons (28,000)
2 SSN Type 093 - 7,000 tons(14,000)
6 SSBN Type 094 - 11,000 tons (66,000)
3 LHD Type 075 - 40,000 tons(120,000)
8 LPD Type 071 - 25,000 tons(200,000)
15 LSD Type 072A - 4,800 tons (72,000)
10 LSD Type 072III - 7,000 tons (70,000)
4 LSD Type 072II - 4,800 tons(19,200)
2 AEFS Type 901 - 48,000 tons (96,000)
2 AKS Type 904B - 15,000 tons(30,000)
1 AKS Type 904A - 15,000 tons
1 AKS Type 904 - 11,000 tons
8 AEFS Type 903A - 25,000 tons(200,000)
2 AEFS Type 903 - 25,000 tons (50,000)
1 AEFS Type 908 - 37,000 tons

Note: Analysis considering the main naval units of the PLAN, excluding the 100-1,500 ton naval units. The commissioning of all Type 056/A corvettes will compulsorily deactivate all Type 053 frigates, but they are still active in service in the PLAN. Type 035 SSKs are already being retired within the next few years. Removing SSKs and corvettes, the number of naval units with oceanic capacity is currently around 165 ships. Within 2030-2035 it is possible for the PLAN to equal both in oceanic capacity and in total displacement of naval units, even considering the increase in the American naval plan announced some time ago, because the considerable increase in the production of naval units of the Type 052DL is expected , Type 055B, Type 093B, Type 075B as well as the likely construction of the Type 076, the total tonnage of the USN today is around 3.2 to 3.5 million tons, that means the PLAN is at 1.5 million of tons of weight displaced from the USN, for the estimated plan until 2035, if the USN maintains a similar number, the PLAN would need to launch 100,000 annually by 2035, keeping the same ships or increasing production in some units to compensate for the withdrawal from service. of some decommissioned units, currently in the PLAN, military naval production annually throws around 150,000-200,000 tons, in the period 2014-2017 China threw over 600,000 tons, which ue is equivalent to throwing 150,000 tons into the sea in each of the four years.
Damn.... that is some impressive mental Gymnastics, and quite some statistical information....!
 

Suetham

Senior Member
Registered Member
I did estimation work. I hope you like it or help me fix possible errors. The composition of the PLAN fleet by the beginning of 2022 of ships launched from shipyards and commissioned will be as follows: 302 naval units of the battle fleet - 2,089,800 tonnage.

1 CVF Type 001 - 65,000 tons
1 CVF Type 002 - 65,000 tons
1 CV Type 003 - 85,000 tons
8 CCG Type 055 - 13,000 tons (104,000)
2 DDG Type 052B - 7,500 tons (15,000)
6 DDG Type 052C - 7,500 tons (45,000)
25 DDG Type 052D - 7,500 tons(187,500)
2 DDG Type 052A - 4,800 tons (9,600)
2 DDG Type 051C - 7,500 tons (15,000)
1 DDG Type 051B - 6,700 tons
4 DDG Sovremenny - 6,500 tons (26,000)
30 FFG Type 054A - 4,000 tons (120,000)
2 FFG Type 054 - 4,000 tons (8,000)
7 FFG Type 053H3 - 2,200 tons (15,400)
4 FFG Type 053H1G - 2,200 tons (8,800)
1 FFG Type 053H1 - 2000 tons
50 FFL Type 056A - 1,800 tons(90,000)
22 FFL Type 056 - 1,800 tons (39,600)
8 SSK Kilo 636 M - 3,100 tons (24,800)
2 SSK Kilo 636 - 3,100 tons (6200)
2 SSK Kilo 877EKM - 3,100 tons (6200)
3 SSK Type 039C(Newly modified version of Type 039B) - 2,300 tons(6,900)
14 SSK Type 039B - 2,300 tons(32,200)
3 SSK Type 039A(or Type 041) - 1,900 tons (5,700)
13 SSK Type 039 - 2,200 tons(28,600)
5 SSK Type 035B - 2,200 tons(11,000)
11 SSK Type 035G - 2,200 tons(24,200)
2 SSK Type 035A - 2,200 tons (4,400)
1 SSB Type 032 - 3,800 tons
4 SSN Type 093A - 7,000 tons (28,000)
2 SSN Type 093 - 7,000 tons(14,000)
6 SSBN Type 094 - 11,000 tons (66,000)
3 LHD Type 075 - 40,000 tons(120,000)
8 LPD Type 071 - 25,000 tons(200,000)
15 LSD Type 072A - 4,800 tons (72,000)
10 LSD Type 072III - 7,000 tons (70,000)
4 LSD Type 072II - 4,800 tons(19,200)
2 AEFS Type 901 - 48,000 tons (96,000)
2 AKS Type 904B - 15,000 tons(30,000)
1 AKS Type 904A - 15,000 tons
1 AKS Type 904 - 11,000 tons
8 AEFS Type 903A - 25,000 tons(200,000)
2 AEFS Type 903 - 25,000 tons (50,000)
1 AEFS Type 908 - 37,000 tons

Note: Analysis considering the main naval units of the PLAN, excluding the 100-1,500 ton naval units. The commissioning of all Type 056/A corvettes will compulsorily deactivate all Type 053 frigates, but they are still active in service in the PLAN. Type 035 SSKs are already being retired within the next few years. Removing SSKs and corvettes, the number of naval units with oceanic capacity is currently around 165 ships. Within 2030-2035 it is possible for the PLAN to equal both in oceanic capacity and in total displacement of naval units, even considering the increase in the American naval plan announced some time ago, because the considerable increase in the production of naval units of the Type 052DL is expected , Type 055B, Type 093B, Type 075B as well as the likely construction of the Type 076, the total tonnage of the USN today is around 3.2 to 3.5 million tons, that means the PLAN is at 1.5 million of tons of weight displaced from the USN, for the estimated plan until 2035, if the USN maintains a similar number, the PLAN would need to launch 100,000 annually by 2035, keeping the same ships or increasing production in some units to compensate for the withdrawal from service. of some decommissioned units, currently in the PLAN, military naval production annually throws around 150,000-200,000 tons, in the period 2014-2017 China threw over 600,000 tons, which ue is equivalent to throwing 150,000 tons into the sea in each of the four years.
I will make the list putting only the ships in service in the PLAN so far to be understandable. It presents itself as follows:

1 CVF Type 001 - 65,000 tons
1 CVF Type 002 - 65,000 tons
3 CCG Type 055 - 13,000 tons(39,000)
2 DDG Type 052B - 7,500 tons (15,000)
6 DDG Type 052C - 7,500 tons (45,000)
18 DDG Type 052D - 7,500 tons(135,000)
2 DDG Type 052A - 4,800 tons (9,600)
2 DDG Type 051C - 7,500 tons (15,000)
1 DDG Type 051B - 6,700 tons
4 DDG Sovremenny – 6,500 tons (26,000)
28 FFG Type 054A - 4,000 tons (112,000)
2 FFG Type 054 - 4,000 tons (8,000)
7 FFG Type 053H3 – 2,200 tons (15,400)
4 FFG Type 053H1G – 2,200 tons (8,800)
1 FFG Type 053H1 - 2,000 tons
50 FFL Type 056A - 1,800 tons(90,000)
22 FFL Type 056 – 1,800 tons (39,600)
8 SSK Kilo 636 M – 3,100 tons (24,800)
2 SSK Kilo 636 - 3,100 tons (6200)
2 SSK Kilo 877EKM - 3,100 tons (6200)
14 SSK Type 039B – 2,300 tons(32,200)
3 SSK Type 039A (or Type 041) - 1,900 tons (5,700)
13 SSK Type 039 – 2,200 tons(28,600)
5 SSK Type 035B – 2,200 tons(11,000)
11 SSK Type 035G – 2,200 tons (24,200)
2 SSK Type 035A - 2,200 tons (4,400)
4 SSN Type 093A - 7,000 tons (28,000)
2 SSN Type 093 - 7,000 tons(14,000)
6 SSBN Type 094 - 11,000 tons (66,000)
1 LHD Type 075 - 40,000 tons
8 LPD Type 071 - 25,000 tons(200,000)
15 LSD Type 072A - 4,800 tons (72,000)
10 LSD Type 072III - 7,000 tons (70,000)
4 LSD Type 072II – 4,800 tons(19,200)
2 AEFS Type 901 – 48,000 tons (96,000)
2 AKS Type 904B – 15,000 tons(30,000)
1 AKS Type 904A - 15,000 tons
1 AKS Type 904 - 11,000 tons
8 AEFS Type 903A – 25,000 tons(200,000)
2 AEFS Type 903 – 25,000 tons (50,000)
1 AEFS Type 908 – 37,000 tons

Totaling 1,788,600 tons in PLAN service at the end of 2021, half of what the USN currently displaces. With a total of 279 main ships in the PLAN battle fleet. Of the total number of naval units in PLAN service, 147 ships have ocean capacity.
 

AndrewS

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Analysis considering the main PLAN naval units, excluding the 100-1,500 ton naval units. Removing the SSKs and corvettes, the number of naval units with oceanic capacity is around 272 ships. That number is pretty close to what USN Rear Admiral Michael McDevitt claims. Retired USN Rear Admiral Michael A. McDevitt made an estimate that I find very interesting, the PLAN would have 270 blue water ships by 2035. The next 15 years will be 140 blue water ships launched to increase the ship count and some to replace the old ones, this mix will include 5 to 6 NAe in 15 years. In addition to the 270 ships with blue water capacity, they will have an average of 160 smaller ships to operate in nearby seas, this will give the PLAN a force of 430 ships, by far the largest in the world and will certainly be world class.

This is what I've got as major warship construction for the 2021-2025 plan

20 Type-054A Frigates
1+ Type-054B Frigates
20 Type-052D/E Destroyers
8 Type-055 Large Destroyers
1+ Type-076 LHDs with EMALs catapults
1+ Supercarriers (85k tonnes) with EMALs catapults

This doesn't include submarines or amphibs

In the following 5 years, I expect a further acceleration in the pace of naval construction
 

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