ARM cuts ties with Huawei, threatening future chip designs


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Xiaomi and BBK may not have enough technological and financial resources to replace every chip from US sources. They do use Mediatek (Taiwan) and Spreadtrum when they can. Not their fault that Huawei doesn't let HiSilicon sell Kirin chips to them, although recently there is a Xiaomi dash cam that uses a HiSilicon chip.

Its also the other way around. Qualcomm needs Xiaomi, BBK and the rest of the Chinese phone makers. Barring them would kill Qualcomm.
but I wouldn't be surprised that Trump would "donate" billions of $$$ to Qualcomm, like he did to the farmers ;)
 
Back on topic, what would it take for ARM to be free of US technology sanctions?

The current v8 design has already been set, but the v9 design is upcoming.

TSMC apparently only have 15-20% US technology content which is comfortably under the 25% threshold.
So that would seem to be the target that ARM would want to reach asap.

I imagine every technology analyst in the world is asking this question, but I haven't seen anything publicly voiced yet.
where did you get the info of 25% threshold? Thats interesting. But Trump would simply change that :p:eek:
 

Hendrik_2000

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Feisty company they are not taking the prosecution lying down they will fight with all they got via Emperor

I hope the incident will not just fire up Huawei but will inspire the whole nation to work towards an RH-free world.

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Huawei Digs In for a Drawn-Out Battle With Trump’s White House

With its American supply chain drying up, the Chinese tech giant is working on contingency plans.

Bloomberg News
2019年6月6日 上午4:00 [GMT+8] Updated on 2019年6月6日 上午9:42 [GMT+8]

Step through the gates of Huawei Technologies Co.’s sprawling campus in southern China, and you’ll see a workforce in frenetic motion. Neon-green minivans ferry workers between offices around the clock. Fluorescent lights burn through the night. Employee canteens are open until near midnight.

China’s largest technology company has thrived on what some employees and outsiders call its “wolf culture.” The take-no-prisoners approach is amplified now that Huawei is at war with President Trump, fighting back against his efforts to cut off its markets and customers and deprive it of critical technology. On May 17, the U.S. Department of Commerce added Huawei to a blacklist of companies that blocks it from buying American software and components it needs to make its products.

Huawei has assigned as many as 10,000 of its developers to work across three shifts a day in offices in Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Xi’an to try to eliminate the need for American software and circuitry, according to people familiar with the matter. From janitors to drivers, everyone has been drafted into the struggle and told to brace for escalating political and market pressure. Huawei has declined to comment beyond saying it’s had contingency plans in place for just such an occasion.

Engineers in some groups haven’t gone home for several days, one person says, asking not to be identified when discussing internal matters. Among other items, the person says, the developers are working on base-station antennas, a component that U.S. companies such as Rogers Corp. manufacture for a market they dominate, and tweaking the design of entire 4G base stations, which compete toe-to-toe with products from Ericsson AB and Nokia Corp.

“It’s not a question about if we can win—we have to win,” says a Huawei engineer, the head of a small research and development team responsible for communication chips who requested anonymity because employees have been warned not to speak to the press. “This is a war about China having an independent communications technology industry.” On an online employee forum, the following message was posted: “Warriors in golden armor shall never return home until they defeat Trump from America.”

The U.S. government’s actions could throttle what has been a period of tremendous growth for Huawei. The company is the world’s top provider of networking gear and the No. 2 smartphone vendor after Samsung Electronics Co. The U.S. ban is unsettling chipmakers from the U.S. to Europe as the global supply chain comes under threat. It could also disrupt the rollout worldwide of 5G wireless, undermining a standard that will power everything from autonomous cars to robot surgery.

Companies and People Banned by the Commerce Department in the Past Year
By country of origin

Data: Commerce Department

Trump has said the restrictions are a necessary response to Huawei helping Beijing spy on other governments. The company for years has been accused of—and sued for—stealing intellectual property from several big companies, including Cisco Systems Inc. and T-Mobile; Huawei has denied all charges. “We are ahead of the U.S. If we were behind, there would be no need for Trump to strenuously attack us,” Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei told Bloomberg Television on May 24.

Huawei brass watched the Commerce Department bring another Chinese company, ZTE Corp., to its knees in 2018, noting how Washington forced ZTE to revamp management, pay a 10-figure fine, and give U.S. observers access to its inner workings. They swore then that, when the time came, Huawei would be prepared. “We are on the right side of history,” the company wrote in an internal memo after the ban was announced. “After every storm, there is a rainbow. We expect every one of you to stay confident, remain dedicated, and diligently fulfill your duties.”

Huawei is said to have stockpiled enough chips and other vital components to keep its business running for at least three months, according to people familiar with the matter. Some of its 180,000 employees remain optimistic that Beijing will resolve its dispute with Washington. Others are confident the Chinese government will step in with either capital or policy changes to prop up the company.

On May 17, the same day Huawei was blacklisted, China announced a tax waiver for local chip design and software companies. That means HiSilicon, the secretive chipmaking division that’s leading Huawei’s efforts to wean itself off American semiconductors, won’t be required to pay any taxes over the next two years.

Still, anxiety is creeping through Huawei offices from Tokyo to Sydney, employees say. “We can’t deny that it’s had a negative impact, as bad news around Huawei is reported every day,” one of them says. “But employees in Japan are rallying, and we’re just trying to keep working as usual. Some of our customers are even trying to cheer us up.”

That Huawei’s 180,000 employees rallied so swiftly to its banner is a testament to the following that Ren commands. The billionaire -- a former People's Liberation Army engineer -- is celebrated in China for building from scratch a company that generates more revenue than Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. and Tencent Holdings Ltd. combined.

As Huawei marshals its troops, the U.S. continues to exhort governments around the world to shun its equipment. Australia and New Zealand have banned its gear, and Japan has effectively done so, while others, including the U.K., are weighing their options. Trump has said the restrictions on the company could be lifted as part of a trade deal with China, but negotiations have stalled. “The fundamental question here is, is this a negotiating lever as part of a trade deal?” says Chris Lane, a Sanford C. Bernstein analyst. “If the ban goes on a long time, Huawei will lose a lot of market share.”- Reporting by Gao Yuan

— With assistance by Yuji Nakamura, Yuki Furukawa, Pavel Alpeyev, Grace Huang, and Thuy Ong

BOTTOM LINE - The Chinese tech giant is working on contingency plans, operating 24 hours a day to overcome the restrictions imposed by being on Trump’s blacklist.
 

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but I wouldn't be surprised that Trump would "donate" billions of $$$ to Qualcomm, like he did to the farmers ;)
I kind of feel that would encourage Xiaomi and the BBK brand phones (Oppo, OnePlus, Vivo) to use as much as Mediatek as possible, which covers the low and the middile end. They can keep the top end running Qualcomm.
 

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where did you get the info of 25% threshold? Thats interesting. But Trump would simply change that :p:eek:
Trump could reduce the threshold from 25% to lower, yes.
But that impacts a lot more companies and countries.
And if Trump does that, he demonstrates that non-US companies have to eliminate all US technology content.

That should be feasible given that the USA only accounts for 25% of global R&D spending, and that share is steadily dropping

He explained in the CLSA report that TSMC uses American equipment and intellectual property to manufacture customer chips, and then re-exports those technologies. If American-originated technology exceeds 25% of the product, then TSMC is subject to U.S. Export Administration Regulations and will need an American license to supply Huawei.

Based on CLSA calculations, equipment with American origins accounts for between 15% to 20% of TSMC’s sales to HiSilicon, and so is safe for now, the report said.

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Hendrik_2000

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Google is worried loosing their market share of android phone
Google flags U.S. national security risks from Huawei ban: FT
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(Reuters) - Alphabet Inc's Google has warned if the U.S. administration moves ahead with sweeping ban on Huawei Technologies Co Ltd, it risks compromising national security, the Financial Times reported on Thursday.

Google's move comes as the world's two top economies ratchet up tariffs in a battle over what U.S. officials call China's unfair trade practices.

While the sanctions are expected to hurt Huawei in the short term, industry experts say it could force the company - and other Chinese firms - to become self-reliant by developing more home-grown technologies, hurting the dominance of American companies such as Google in the longer term.

Google in particular is concerned it would not be allowed to update its Android operating system on Huawei smartphones, which it argues would prompt the Chinese company to develop its own version of the software, FT reported, citing people briefed on Google's lobbying efforts.

The search giant argued a Huawei-modified version of Android would be more susceptible to being hacked, the newspaper said.

The U.S. administration in May added Huawei to a trade blacklist. The move put Huawei and 68 affiliates in more than two dozen countries on the Commerce Department's so-called Entity List.

Google and the U.S. Department of Commerce were not immediately available for comment on the report.
 

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Look like Facebook stop it's business with Huawei. So it's phone can no longer preinstalled app like WhatsApp Facebook Instagram etc. But as long these apps can be installed easily by user then it's not a big issue
 

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Europe's 5G to cost $62 billion more if Chinese vendors banned: industry

PARIS (Reuters) - A ban on buying telecoms equipment from Chinese firms would add about 55 billion euros ($62 billion) to the cost of 5G networks in Europe and delay the technology by about 18 months, according to an industry analysis seen by Reuters.

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Huawei Digs In for a Drawn-Out Battle With Trump’s White House

With its American supply chain drying up, the Chinese tech giant is working on contingency plans.

Bloomberg News
2019年6月6日 上午4:00 [GMT+8] Updated on 2019年6月6日 上午9:42 [GMT+8]

Step through the gates of Huawei Technologies Co.’s sprawling campus in southern China, and you’ll see a workforce in frenetic motion. Neon-green minivans ferry workers between offices around the clock. Fluorescent lights burn through the night. Employee canteens are open until near midnight.

China’s largest technology company has thrived on what some employees and outsiders call its “wolf culture.” The take-no-prisoners approach is amplified now that Huawei is at war with President Trump, fighting back against his efforts to cut off its markets and customers and deprive it of critical technology. On May 17, the U.S. Department of Commerce added Huawei to a blacklist of companies that blocks it from buying American software and components it needs to make its products.

Huawei has assigned as many as 10,000 of its developers to work across three shifts a day in offices in Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Xi’an to try to eliminate the need for American software and circuitry, according to people familiar with the matter. From janitors to drivers, everyone has been drafted into the struggle and told to brace for escalating political and market pressure. Huawei has declined to comment beyond saying it’s had contingency plans in place for just such an occasion.

Engineers in some groups haven’t gone home for several days, one person says, asking not to be identified when discussing internal matters. Among other items, the person says, the developers are working on base-station antennas, a component that U.S. companies such as Rogers Corp. manufacture for a market they dominate, and tweaking the design of entire 4G base stations, which compete toe-to-toe with products from Ericsson AB and Nokia Corp.

“It’s not a question about if we can win—we have to win,” says a Huawei engineer, the head of a small research and development team responsible for communication chips who requested anonymity because employees have been warned not to speak to the press. “This is a war about China having an independent communications technology industry.” On an online employee forum, the following message was posted: “Warriors in golden armor shall never return home until they defeat Trump from America.”

The U.S. government’s actions could throttle what has been a period of tremendous growth for Huawei. The company is the world’s top provider of networking gear and the No. 2 smartphone vendor after Samsung Electronics Co. The U.S. ban is unsettling chipmakers from the U.S. to Europe as the global supply chain comes under threat. It could also disrupt the rollout worldwide of 5G wireless, undermining a standard that will power everything from autonomous cars to robot surgery.

Companies and People Banned by the Commerce Department in the Past Year
By country of origin

Data: Commerce Department

Trump has said the restrictions are a necessary response to Huawei helping Beijing spy on other governments. The company for years has been accused of—and sued for—stealing intellectual property from several big companies, including Cisco Systems Inc. and T-Mobile; Huawei has denied all charges. “We are ahead of the U.S. If we were behind, there would be no need for Trump to strenuously attack us,” Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei told Bloomberg Television on May 24.

Huawei brass watched the Commerce Department bring another Chinese company, ZTE Corp., to its knees in 2018, noting how Washington forced ZTE to revamp management, pay a 10-figure fine, and give U.S. observers access to its inner workings. They swore then that, when the time came, Huawei would be prepared. “We are on the right side of history,” the company wrote in an internal memo after the ban was announced. “After every storm, there is a rainbow. We expect every one of you to stay confident, remain dedicated, and diligently fulfill your duties.”

Huawei is said to have stockpiled enough chips and other vital components to keep its business running for at least three months, according to people familiar with the matter. Some of its 180,000 employees remain optimistic that Beijing will resolve its dispute with Washington. Others are confident the Chinese government will step in with either capital or policy changes to prop up the company.

On May 17, the same day Huawei was blacklisted, China announced a tax waiver for local chip design and software companies. That means HiSilicon, the secretive chipmaking division that’s leading Huawei’s efforts to wean itself off American semiconductors, won’t be required to pay any taxes over the next two years.

Still, anxiety is creeping through Huawei offices from Tokyo to Sydney, employees say. “We can’t deny that it’s had a negative impact, as bad news around Huawei is reported every day,” one of them says. “But employees in Japan are rallying, and we’re just trying to keep working as usual. Some of our customers are even trying to cheer us up.”

That Huawei’s 180,000 employees rallied so swiftly to its banner is a testament to the following that Ren commands. The billionaire -- a former People's Liberation Army engineer -- is celebrated in China for building from scratch a company that generates more revenue than Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. and Tencent Holdings Ltd. combined.

As Huawei marshals its troops, the U.S. continues to exhort governments around the world to shun its equipment. Australia and New Zealand have banned its gear, and Japan has effectively done so, while others, including the U.K., are weighing their options. Trump has said the restrictions on the company could be lifted as part of a trade deal with China, but negotiations have stalled. “The fundamental question here is, is this a negotiating lever as part of a trade deal?” says Chris Lane, a Sanford C. Bernstein analyst. “If the ban goes on a long time, Huawei will lose a lot of market share.”- Reporting by Gao Yuan

— With assistance by Yuji Nakamura, Yuki Furukawa, Pavel Alpeyev, Grace Huang, and Thuy Ong

BOTTOM LINE - The Chinese tech giant is working on contingency plans, operating 24 hours a day to overcome the restrictions imposed by being on Trump’s blacklist.
Damn... other companies can only dream of such motivation and dedication from their employees!

Trump should have stuck to trying to get other countries to ban Huawei. By playing dirty, he created the perfect conditions for Huawei to push itself to even greater heights!

No wonder the Chinese government has been keeping a low profile so far!
 
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