ARM cuts ties with Huawei, threatening future chip designs


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s002wjh

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more bad news for Huawei
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Chip designer ARM has suspended business with Huawei, threatening the Chinese company’s ability to create its own chips.
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that ARM employees have been instructed to halt “all active contracts, support entitlements, and any pending engagements” with Huawei due to the US trade ban. The US has banned any US companies from doing business with the Chinese telecom giant without permission from the American government, but ARM is based in the UK and owned by the Japanese SoftBank group.

ARM is concerned it is affected by the US ban, with an internal memo reportedly revealing that its chip designs include “US origin technology.” ARM develops some processor designs in Austin, Texas and San Jose, California, which could place it under the US restrictions. Huawei relies on ARM for chip architecture designs for its own Kirin processors, and it pays to license these. Without the licenses, Huawei will not be able to continue manufacturing its own processors using ARM designs and its HiSilicon fabless semiconductor company.

“ARM is complying with the latest restrictions set forth by the US government and is having ongoing conversations with the appropriate US government agencies to ensure we remain compliant,” says an ARM spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. “Arm values its relationship with our longtime partner HiSilicon and we are hopeful for a swift resolution on this matter.”
 

Peter2018

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How about the joint venture that ARM formed in China, right after Softbank bought ARM? They sold all the patents to that joint venture.
 

Hyperwarp

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Are RISC V or MIPS options for Huawei?
Loongson already uses MIPS. Wonder whether they have something for handheld devices.

For the domestic market, Huawei can simply continue with ARM developments. There is not much ARM can do. The ARM SoC will simply be an unlicenced version.

Xiaomi and all other Chinese tech companies will be looking for alternatives in Software and Hardware. They can create in-house SoC and Android folks. In the long run, it is not a bad thing. We saw this with Military developments. Remember the Phalcon fiasco? China has time and time again proved that she can adapt to external pressure.

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Oh, by the way, this trade war will hurt the US in a big way. Even Republican members of Congress like Dan Crenshaw and conservative commentators like Ben Shapiro are heavily against this "Trade-war". It is actually counter to Capitalism and by extension counter to conservatism. A tariff is a tax on it own population that increases cost of producing something. To save 50,000 workers via tariffs, the US may lose 10 times that in other fields. Just look at what happen to Harley Davidson.

I do belive this will make China stronger in the long run but there'll be pain in the short-term..
 

chlosy

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Loongson already uses MIPS. Wonder whether they have something for handheld devices.

For the domestic market, Huawei can simply continue with ARM developments. There is not much ARM can do. The ARM SoC will simply be an unlicenced version.

Xiaomi and all other Chinese tech companies will be looking for alternatives in Software and Hardware. They can create in-house SoC and Android folks. In the long run, it is not a bad thing. We saw this with Military developments. Remember the Phalcon fiasco? China has time and time again proved that she can adapt to external pressure.

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Oh, by the way, this trade war will hurt the US in a big way. Even Republican members of Congress like Dan Crenshaw and conservative commentators like Ben Shapiro are heavily against this "Trade-war". It is actually counter to Capitalism and by extension counter to conservatism. A tariff is a tax on it own population that increases cost of producing something. To save 50,000 workers via tariffs, the US may lose 10 times that in other fields. Just look at what happen to Harley Davidson.

I do belive this will make China stronger in the long run but there'll be pain in the short-term..
Hope your words are prophetic.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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For the domestic market, Huawei can simply continue with ARM developments. There is not much ARM can do. The ARM SoC will simply be an unlicenced version.
That wouldn't be a problem even internationally. As I understand it, a Chinese sovereign wealth fund (essentially) owns all the licences and patents to ARM v8. Huawei and other Chinese companies could independently develop that. Devices that use "ARM-China v9" should be fine to sell anywhere so long as they don't use any new ARM IP.
 
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