ARM cuts ties with Huawei, threatening future chip designs


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There are alternatives to Corning's Gorilla Glass. Including Chinese manufacturers.
There are alternatives to Micron's NAND Flash/DRAM. Like from Samsung, SK Hynix, or Toshiba.
I don't have exhaustive knowledge of the whole sector. But in time we will see.
yea i found an article indicate there are alternative. maybe not all 33 part, but i guess some parts are not too difficult to design or can be substitute with slight inferior components for now.

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GORILLA GLASS
Corning, maker of Gorilla Glass, provides the glass for the P30 Pro, and has been Huawei’s supplier for several of its other recent phones, as well as Windows laptops. It’s based in the US, so in the event of it cutting ties with Huawei, it would have to pick another provider. Such a partner could be AGC Asahi Glass, a Japanese competitor that produces the Dragontrail glass.

Google, to name a high profile example, opted to use Dragontrail instead of Gorilla Glass in its new Pixel 3A, presumably to cut costs. While Asahi doesn’t have the brand recognition of Corning, a sudden Huawei deal could turn it into a much more formidable competitor.
MICRON-MADE FLASH STORAGE
The storage chip built into the P30 Pro comes from Micron, a supplier based in Boise, Idaho
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. Other suppliers, like Toshiba and Samsung, could be possible partners, though Huawei’s HiSilicon company may be working to develop its own storage component.


Huawei has expressed interest in storage, not internal but with its own proprietary Nano memory cards. They are the same size of a Nano SIM card, and this technology could be a sign that Huawei has started down the path to making its own storage.

MODULES FOR 3G AND LTE SUPPORT
Skyworks and Qorvo, both of the US, supply the front-end modules, which act like networking cards, in the P30 Pro. These give the phone the ability to work with 3G and LTE bands around the world. As noted in
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, Samsung utilizes Skyworks and Qorvo, too. So, it seems to be the popular option. Huawei’s reliance on US companies to make its devices US-compatible isn’t too surprising, though it may need to develop its own front-end modules if it wants to maintain compatibility with certain carriers.

ANDROID
Google has yanked Huawei’s Android license, allowing it to use only its Android Open Source Project (AOSP). This will cut it off from offering its users Google-made apps and services, and it means that Huawei’s devices will lag behind in terms of security features.

In a tweet, Google says that owners of “existing Huawei devices” will not be affected by these changes. Though, for upcoming devices, including Huawei’s foldable Mate X phone,
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For Huawei users' questions regarding our steps to comply w/ the recent US government actions: We assure you while we are complying with all US gov't requirements, services like Google Play & security from Google Play Protect will keep functioning on your existing Huawei device.
WHAT IT DOESN’T (YET) NEED TO CHANGE
Fortunately for Huawei, at least when it comes to piecing together a flagship phone like the P30 Pro, most of its selling points wouldn’t be affected by the executive order or a larger trade ban — at least, not immediately. For the time being, it doesn’t need to change how it sources the following components:

OLED SCREENS
Samsung and LG build a majority of the world’s supply of OLED screens, and Huawei uses panels from both, as well as smaller Chinese manufacturer BOE. It’s likely that the three companies will keep selling displays to Huawei, though the pickings are slim for other OLED manufacturers. Japan Display could be another option, though it’s only recently begun to produce OLED panels and wouldn’t be able to meet Huawei’s demand alone.

CAMERAS AND RAM
The camera array found in the P30 Pro is supplied by the Chinese brand Sunny Optical. It’s responsible for the best low-light performance that we’ve seen from a phone.

RAM is another component that isn’t built by Huawei. South Korean company SK Hynix was tapped for its LPDDR4X RAM in the P30 Pro, a shift from working with US-based Micron on the P20 Pro. Since Micron is said to have severed ties with Huawei, that’s one less partner, but Huawei obviously isn’t out of options.
With all that laid out, the situation may be less bleak than it seems. Compared to ZTE, which was essentially put on life support after its US partners cut off access to crucial components, Huawei is more prepared to suffer a tough spell. Like Apple, it designs its own processors, and if it ramps up its HiSilicon facilities, it could manufacturer them, as well as other components. Still, there could be a drop in quality while Huawei finds its footing.

I’m less optimistic about its PC ventures, since Intel and Qualcomm have reportedly pulled support for the company and Huawei’s current processors are designed for phones, not laptops. That’s a shame because
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Another big question is whether consumers will like Huawei’s operating system. Reviews on most Huawei phones note that its EMUI software isn’t the preferable option versus Google’s own Android interface. And if Google disappears completely from future phones, it may be more than just the look and feel of Huawei’s OS that makes it painful to use:
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Cutting off access to US-made components is enough to make a big dent in any phone company, especially when a big piece of that pie is the core software that makes a phone run like consumers expect it to. There’s no doubt that Huawei will be hurt by this executive order and what might follow. But if China chooses to retaliate, it could disrupt the global supply chain in electronics, which would affect countless companies.
 
not sure of the thread now, here's what I posted in the closed
Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?
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happened to notice
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and watched live for coupla minutes:









#418 Jura, Feb 24, 2019


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Huawei delays the launch of its $2,600 foldable smartphone
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Huawei has delayed the launch of its $2,600 Mate X by three months in order to carry out further tests of the foldable smartphone.
The Chinese tech company now plans to release the Mate X in September, according to Glenn Schloss, a vice president of corporate communications at Huawei. The launch had been expected in June.
Huawei unveiled
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during a mobile industry event in Barcelona.
Rival smartphone maker Samsung has also
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of its $1,980 Galaxy Fold after some reviewers reported the device was breaking. They experienced defective hinges and broken screens.
Huawei, the world's largest telecoms equipment maker and No. 2 smartphone brand, faces a unique set of problems.
The US Commerce Department placed Huawei on a trade blacklist last month, barring American firms from selling tech to the company. That would cut Huawei off from key suppliers like Google (
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Whether Huawei's foldable phone will run Google's Android operating system is "under discussion," said Schloss.
The US export ban is part of a broader US campaign against Huawei.
Washington says that Huawei presents a national security risk, and that Beijing could use its equipment to spy on other nations. Huawei has repeatedly denied that any of its products pose such a risk.
A temporary reprieve from the US Commerce Department allows American companies to continue to supply Huawei with software and components to service existing networks until August.
But the US trade blacklist has already started to affect Huawei's smartphone business.
A company executive said this week that Huawei
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to become the No. 1 smartphone seller by the end of the year.
 

FriedRiceNSpice

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Interesting that Samsung was able to be more successful than Huawei at lowering the costs of a foldable phone. Even Samsung has been concerned that the high costs of foldable phones would severely limit the potential market size, and have focussed on trying to lower costs. It would be hard for the costlier Huawei phone to see much sales, $2600 is more than a Macbook Pro or high end PC!
 

getready

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Interesting that Samsung was able to be more successful than Huawei at lowering the costs of a foldable phone. Even Samsung has been concerned that the high costs of foldable phones would severely limit the potential market size, and have focussed on trying to lower costs. It would be hard for the costlier Huawei phone to see much sales, $2600 is more than a Macbook Pro or high end PC!

Won't matter if the phone is a dud though. Samsung foldable phone has screen issues which I'm not they solved it yet. Huawei was better but more expensive
 

FriedRiceNSpice

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Won't matter if the phone is a dud though. Samsung foldable phone has screen issues which I'm not they solved it yet. Huawei was better but more expensive
Well even the Samsung one is priced way too high to have much of a market. Both are more of technology demonstrators, since I think the technology could be applicable in the future to ultra portable, high end surfaces/tablets rather than mobile phones.
 

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With regards to the laptops, Huawei could make something like a Linux powered laptop, with a chip based on their server chips.

Another possibility would be to make a laptop with a Zhaoxin processor.
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If they really wanted to.
 

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Interesting that Samsung was able to be more successful than Huawei at lowering the costs of a foldable phone. Even Samsung has been concerned that the high costs of foldable phones would severely limit the potential market size, and have focussed on trying to lower costs. It would be hard for the costlier Huawei phone to see much sales, $2600 is more than a Macbook Pro or high end PC!
Huawei deliberately priced the phone as the most expensive in the world, so that it would become a status symbol for the owners.
This would help solidify Huawei as an expensive brand, which is worth it because it has the best technology.

But future versions would be more affordable.
 
Huawei deliberately priced the phone as the most expensive in the world, so that it would become a status symbol for the owners.
This would help solidify Huawei as an expensive brand, which is worth it because it has the best technology.

But future versions would be more affordable.
LOL that's clever, now people waiting for your "status symbol" Yesterday at 9:00 PM
not sure of the thread now, here's what I posted in the closed
Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?
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happened to notice
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and watched live for coupla minutes:









#418 Jura, Feb 24, 2019


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Huawei delays the launch of its $2,600 foldable smartphone
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would be a business tactics according to you, I guess
 

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Huawei deliberately priced the phone as the most expensive in the world, so that it would become a status symbol for the owners.
This would help solidify Huawei as an expensive brand, which is worth it because it has the best technology.
Maybe the Ren/Meng family can better help on this by using their own products for a change instead of iPhones.
 
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