2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Michael90

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Before the Islamists it was a monarchy that kept going for many centuries. There is no monarchy to hold them together now. So they need a new ideology. Shia based Islamic nationhood provided that glue. Otherwise, there is no reason for Azeris, kurds, balochs and Arabs to stay under one unified country dominated by just 50% Persians.
No, that's wrong. Iran is an ancient Persian civilization with long proven track record of self governance and rule. Even if the mullahs who benefited from the student led protests to hijacked power and the country were to collapse/fall then it still wouldn't lead to the collapse of the country. It seems to me like you are underestimating the social and intellectual fabric of an ancient civilizational country like Iran a bit too much. The points you are making sound alot like the ones the mullahs have been making to justify and legitimise their rule.
Do you think the mullah regime will rule Iran forever (If you don't believe they will, then you believe Iran was always meant to collapse then)? Lol
They will be very lucky and resilient if they can hang on for another few decades in my opinion, giving the level of discontent among Iranians about their rule, especially the level of disparity in views between the younger generation who are more Liberal or open minded and the more Conservative Islamist regime. I don't think Iran was ever meant to be rule by Islamists/theocratic government. The people are just not deeply religious unlike say Pakistanis. Afghans or even bengladeshis etc. So this regime is bound to fall at some point to be honest.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Israel probably considers him as a moderating influence on Iranian hardliners. The previous retaliating attacks he ordered were largely ineffective and mostly for show. He's okay with renegotiating with Trump despite Trump tore up the previous nuclear deal. He is also not too keen on nuclear weapons since he issued a fatwa banning nuclear weapons.

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Its interesting. Multiple government officials including generals and MPs have begged him to revoke the Fatwa but he didn't. The Iranian president, a supposed moderate, also just so happens to agree with the most conservative hardliner of all, on this 1 issue?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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No, that's wrong. Iran is an ancient Persian civilization with long proven track record of self governance and rule. Even if the mullahs who benefited from student led protests to hijacked power and the country were to collapse /fall then it still wouldn't lead to the collapse of the country. It seems to me like you underestimating the social and intellectual fabric of an ancient civilizational country like Iran a bit too much. The points you are making sound alot like the ones the mullahs have been making to justify and legitimise their rule.
Do you think the mullah regime will rule Iran
I'll just be honest: there's nothing really special about any civilization. Existence is earned, not granted. China was taught this lesson in the most brutal of ways. The greatest art, literature and architecture mean nothing in the face of brute force.

Nobody inherently has a right to existence or prosperity.

When China, Korea and Vietnam were already ancient with 1000 years of art, music and literature, Japan only emerged from prehistory. Yet they were the ones who killed everyone else and it was only through application of even more brute force that they stopped.

When England, France and Italy were already in the Renaissance and had 1000 years of history, Finland was still in the stone age and wearing pelts. Who is richer today?
 

Minm

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First of all India is just plain incompetent and not really menacing, not comparable with israel. Pakistan had the advantage from the start with advanced chinese and western weaponry and an competent air command. Compare Pakistan to Iran with cold war era equipment and jets from the 1980s.
Second the Pakistani population is much more patriotic and absolutely despises India. Also check out the LA Iranian diaspora who parade around with shah era flags and Israeli flags for some reason
If you judge a country by its diaspora, you don't really know anything about them. Let's look at the Chinese diaspora: a bunch of self hating white worshippers, especially Asian women who prefer white men.

These are the people who left their country. They left for a reason. They are not representative.

But in the face of war, Saddam found out that the Iranian people are much more united than he thought. Netanyahu and our (Chinese?)-American users will find out the same
 

In4ser

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China should be careful and observe how the US responds. If the US gives full support to Israel, China tell the US to stop or it will leave its Rare Earths Agreement with the US. China should not be supporting war against Iran, even indirectly, because their ultimate goal is China.

People on this form shouldn't be to hasty in judging other countries. Russian was sloppy in the early days of its SOM, Lebanon sabotaged by pagers and even China was caught off guard by the first Trump administration's trade war. As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan, until they get hit in the face." Let's wait and see how things develop but I personally believe Iran has strategic depth and a unified collective identity to withstand this wave Zionist/Neo-Con aggression.
 

Mmmeeeto

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If you judge a country by its diaspora, you don't really know anything about them. Let's look at the Chinese diaspora: a bunch of self hating white worshippers, especially Asian women who prefer white men.

These are the people who left their country. They left for a reason. They are not representative.

But in the face of war, Saddam found out that the Iranian people are much more united than he thought. Netanyahu and our (Chinese?)-American users will find out the same
That's a good point fair enough.
But the fact that a significant portion of Iranian population despise the Islamic Republic is still true.
This can be seen from the massive unrest every few years like the mahsa amini situation, protesters were making chants to end the regime so it was obvious
 
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