2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Michael90

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Khamenei's predecessor, Khomenei, instigated the 1979 Revolution while living in exile in ... France. Here, in suburban Paris, he was freely and openly preaching and advocating for the revolution.

Some people have alleged from day 1 that the whole revolutionary movement was a Western plot.
Yeah I agree. I’m surprised that many people don’t talk about this and many don’t label Khomeini a western agent. Imagine if today , there was an Iranian public figure in exile in the west who is involved in calling for the fall of the mullah regime and who is actively involved with elements in Iran to topple the regime, imagine he succeed and topple the mullah regime and was flown from the west to Tehran to take power , you can bet your whole family that SDF and many other non western sources will be labeling him a western agent and a western sponsored coup etc etc. I’m surprised this same people don’t even suspect the mullahs original leader of being a western agent. lol It’s a paradox actually.
 

_killuminati_

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Yeah I agree. I’m surprised that many people don’t talk about this and many don’t label Khomeini a western agent. Imagine if today , there was an Iranian public figure in exile in the west who is involved in calling for the fall of the mullah regime and who is actively involved with elements in Iran to topple the regime, imagine he succeed and topple the mullah regime and was flown from the west to Tehran to take power , you can bet your whole family that SDF and many other non western sources will be labeling him a western agent and a western sponsored coup etc etc. I’m surprised this same people don’t even suspect the mullahs original leader of being a western agent. lol It’s a paradox actually.
Because there isn't conclusive evidence of him being an agent. He was ejected from Iran by the Shah, and later from Iraq by Saddam. Nobody wanted to host him, except France. The only points of suspicion are 1) France hosting and allowing him to preach anti-Western sentiments and theocratic revolutions; and, 2) France allowing him a platform to plan an ousting of Shah (who himself was a Western puppet). Time magazine named him 'Man of the Year' when the Shah monarchy was collapsing while Khomenei was still in Paris.
 

Michael90

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Because there isn't conclusive evidence of him being an agent. He was ejected from Iran by the Shah, and later from Iraq by Saddam. Nobody wanted to host him, except France. The only points of suspicion are 1) France hosting and allowing him to preach anti-Western sentiments and theocratic revolutions; and, 2) France allowing him a platform to plan an ousting of Shah (who himself was a Western puppet). Time magazine named him 'Man of the Year' when the Shah monarchy was collapsing while Khomenei was still in Paris.
If all this was done today, you can bet people will be saying he's just a western asset, and that will be understandable looking at he circumstances.
 

montyp165

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If all this was done today, you can bet people will be saying he's just a western asset, and that will be understandable looking at he circumstances.
Not only that, anyone who is too conciliatory to western interests whether they start off as a western asset or not invariably gets co-opted and consumed by them as the past 40 years has shown, only those willing and able to make the effort for strategic independence and freedom of action have any means of overcoming this trap. This is also why organizations such as BRICS are such a hot point of contention by said western powers.
 

Mmmeeeto

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In Yemen, the environment was still contested; the Americans were unable to effectively suppress the Yemeni IADS network.

The case of Iran is different because Israel managed to neutralize the Iranian IADS network via cyberattacks, kinetic attacks, and suppression. Furthermore, the IAF has already posted photos of F-16s and F-15s during the attack on Iran carrying medium-range PGMs, implying that the IAF did not fully resort to the use of long-range munitions.
Iranian IADS is much more dense and ambush oriented. Although the initial phase of conflict inflicted severe damage and suppressed much of the air defense network (due to the surprise factor), the threat still looms.

You can't "turn off" IADS through cyberattacks, and a full suppression of the air defence threat would require a few months of persistent targeting atleast.

(Keep in mind that there hasn’t been any clear footage showing the use of GBU-type munitions — which are among the most commonly used by Israel in Gaza — during the conflict.)

Here is an insightful video on how Israel's bombing campaign against Iran might've unfolded


 
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