PLAN 2018 Review (Jeff Head)

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    Than you my friend.

    That means a lot to me and I thank you for thoe very kind words.

    God's speed to you my friend.
     
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    Thank you.

    I do no view you as an adversary. More of a friend waiting to happen. Which is also my fondest hope for US - Sino relations.

    Read my comments to JobJed above a few posts for how I feel. I will "ping" you to it.

    God's best to you.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion, but I would be interested in your reasoning for why you think the Chinese would be open about the past R&D of their rail gun programme when they have never been that open about any other project before whether it is for stealth fighters, naval ships, missiles or transports, at a stage when it is "only" in the later stages of development.


    It makes complete sense for them to reveal little to nothing about the past development of their rail gun programme, and that would be fully consistent with their behaviour for other past weapons programmes.
    I would love to see the PLA be open with their R&D efforts that led to J-20, Y-20, 055, PL-15, PL-XX, Y-20, Y-9, H-20, and every other new system they have under the sun in the same way that the US is, but that is not how they operate, and I think it is illogical to think they should act any differently for their railgun programme.
     
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    Jeff, I don't think he is trying to pick a fight, but reading between the lines of your post regarding the rail gun programme, what he described is what you are trying to say.

    I think if you do believe that the US is ahead of China in rail gun efforts then he is suggesting that you can just go ahead and say it, rather than forming positions that don't really make sense to suggest why you think the Chinese rail gun programme is at an earlier stage than what may otherwise be suggested by the photos of the LST testbed.


    I think most of us here appreciate a well reasoned and debate, but what is disliked is positions that are made without any premises for it, and what is disliked even more than that are positions that are made with premises that skirt around the issue at hand.
     
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    I have been here a long time my friend.

    I know what folks like and don't like and I know there are a number of people who do not like what I say simply because of where I come from and the experience I have...and the opinions I hold. All of that iis fine.

    To me it seems like you are doing the very thing that you seem to be accusing me of. And you know what,? You can believe that those are the things I am doing if you desire...but they are not.

    I explained perfectly well my reasoning...and if people do not agree with that, that's fine.

    Seems like the pot calling the kettle black though when it comes to trying to reason why I said what I did...wen I said why straight up. Iron Man saw a part of it and responded reasonably to it.

    Anyhow, it is not my intent or desire to argue or debatewith folks who take the type of tone being taken.

    In addition my Annual Review is what it is. However folks may feel about it.

    Everyone who has been here any length of time know this because I have posted them every year.

    I have been doing this for almost two decades, and I have worked on many of the military programs in engineering with companies like Lockheed, SDRC, GE Boats, Vought, Thiokol, and Boeing too at times. I fall back on my own experience and people can think what they will of it.

    That experience over 35 years of professional work tells me that there is no point in pressing people who have already decided what they believe. And that is fine...but it is a two edge blade.

    Might as well just let it rest.

    I certainly do not want to fill the thread with endless back and forths where people say the same things over and over again to get the final word in, nor will I allow the thread to devolve into that.

    Job jed said what he did...and I responded to him. That should be enough. I have no issue with him or what he said, as I indicated...he has every right to his opinion.
     
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    Your sincerity, which may or may not be genuine, notwithstanding, the point is you have no evidence, circumstantial nor concrete, to believe the US has any advantage in the railgun domain.

    When confronted with your lack of evidence, you brushed the issue aside and went on a tangent about accepting your religious dogma under the brand of *freedom*. I have no interest in your god or democracy, don't lecture me about it.

    So, let me reiterate, where's your evidence for believing the US maintains a lead in the railgun domain? Or even the field of electrical engineering in general? If you have no evidence, that's fine, say so, but please stop going in circles.
     
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    the question is what's inside the Yangtze River Cabin LOL
     
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    I stated why I felt the way I did. You do not accept it. That is fine and there is no need to make accusations or use back handed or open handed belittling... As I said, it is clear we fell differently and you have every right to your own opinion.

    There is a huge difference ein the amount and time in testing, and a maintain of actual tests that the US has published with little to none from the PRC.

    This is true...people can fell why it is so and have differing opinions of it.

    No need to go on and on about the differences...it is clear where we both strand and folks can decide for themselves wiothout endless debate, bickering, and any belittling of one another.
     
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    What I'm "accusing" you of, is that you believe the US railgun programme is better/ahead of the Chinese railgun programme.
    I am absolutely okay with you believing that or holding that position, and starting a debate on it.

    I do not consider that to be wanting to "start a fight," but it does mean I want to start a discussion.





    Jeff, if you want to believe what you believe despite the counterpoints that I have been raised, you are entitled to believe that.

    But that suggests to me you believe the difference of opinions and the reasoning behind those different opinions are not worthy of a debate or further exploration, which I think is inconsistent with common sense and the evidence we have at hand.
     
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    Jeff, let me ask you a few questions.

    1: do you believe it is reasonable to think the PLAN (or indeed any Navy) would have conducted land based tests of their rail gun before installing one aboard a ship for shipbased tests?
    2: do you believe it is reasonable to expect the PRC to publicly release information, photos and evidence about their rail gun programme's R&D of past years if they have done R&D, if such a weapon is still in testing and development?
    3: do you believe it is reasonable for the PRC to have sought to deliberately hide the evidence of the R&D of their rail gun programme until such a stage that they were comfortable with its development stage to become more open with the weapon's existence?
     
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