PLAN 2018 Review (Jeff Head)


Dfangsaur

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Hey jeff,
It was nice read, thank you for all you have done. I have only been using this forum for about a year, but I have gained so much knowledge regarding military in general. Although as a Chinese national I find myself on the opposing side of US, I am extremely honoured that my country has such a worthy adversary. I hope that you will feel better soon.
 

weig2000

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Excellent report and very comprehensive summary. It represents some of the best out of SDF.

I do hope this would not be the last of such report.

Best.
 

AeroEngineer

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Jeff are you kidding people here ?

095 could only match the LA class?

The 093B already match the LA class.

The highly advanced 095 will be at least equal to Virginia class SSN if not exceed it in performance.

BTW, here is a good article:

Why Chinese submarines could soon be quieter than US ones

Watch out for the advanced electric pump jet China is developing right now !!



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AeroEngineer

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Hey jeff,
It was nice read, thank you for all you have done. I have only been using this forum for about a year, but I have gained so much knowledge regarding military in general. Although as a Chinese national I find myself on the opposing side of US, I am extremely honoured that my country has such a worthy adversary. I hope that you will feel better soon.

We will attach and take over Taiwan once USA is done !!

Just wait, it won't be another 4 years before it happen !
 

siegecrossbow

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Great information and superb attention to details! This is superior to the Pentagon report in many aspects. Awesome job Jeff and keep the analysis coming.
 

Jeff Head

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Nice report. Just a couple nitpicks: the Supply class is classified as AOE (rather than AOR), as should the 901 class. The other is that the new EM gun has its electrical supply visibly spread out along the top deck, so it's very likely to be a working test unit.
It is indeed AOE and that was just a mistypes on my part.

As to the electrical supply for the rail gun...I do not believe they have shown nearly enough to deduce that away from port it has enough to do the type of powering necessary to produce nearly the types of shots the US land based unit, which is modular enough to move onto a ship that can power it up, already has.

In addition to that, though they have a test facility onllnad, I would like to get a good look at actualy videos of it doing they types of thing shte US has shown over and over again...like this:




The US has been incrementally doing this, and shown them openly, since 2007. We have done it for the last 11 years.

Now the Obama admin has slowed things up...but that is only temporary and the technology is sufficiently advanced to ut it to sea quickly as soon as we have the leadership that will do so.

Time will tell.
 

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In addition to that, though they have a test facility onllnad, I would like to get a good look at actualy videos of it doing they types of thing shte US has shown over and over again...like this:




The US has been incrementally doing this, and shown them openly, since 2007. We have done it for the last 11 years.
Jeff, you and I both know the PLA doesn't work this way.

The US has been publicizing the R&D of their rail guns and other weapon systems and programmes since early demonstrators.

The PLA generally does not do this, and they tend to reveal products after much of the R&D is already done, with little prior publicity. For example, the USAF's ATF programme that led to the YF-22 and F-22 was known to the public, as was the JSF, and the USAF's current B-21 was a result of the various precursors in the form of NGB, LRS-B, etc, that was all known to the public as well.

But if we look at Chinese counterparts, the first J-20 prototype emerged in late 2010/early 2011 with little prior publicity at all, nothing like what the ATF was like. The upcoming Chinese stealth bomber has had little to no official publicity or marketing either. The same goes for virtually every aircraft, ship, or missile system that China develops.



In the case of China's railgun -- it would make complete sense that they do not show any of the R&D that the USN has revealed over the last decade or more, and to only reveal their system once it is in the later stages of development. In this case, testing a system aboard a ship at sea, after extensive testing and verification on land at first, which in turn would have been preceded by many demonstrators, subscale demonstrators, and the basic R&D before that.

You aren't new to PLA watching Jeff, and I think it is a bit unreasonable to expect China to openly produce the kind of publicity for its rail gun development that the USN has done.
 

jobjed

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As to the electrical supply for the rail gun...I do not believe they have shown nearly enough to deduce that away from port it has enough to do the type of powering necessary to produce nearly the types of shots the US land based unit, which is modular enough to move onto a ship that can power it up, already has.

In addition to that, though they have a test facility onllnad, I would like to get a good look at actualy videos of it doing they types of thing shte US has shown over and over again...like this:

The US has been incrementally doing this, and shown them openly, since 2007. We have done it for the last 11 years.
You spent a lot of words trying to say "we're still better than the Chinese because I want to believe so."

Here's some advice, Jeff, get to the point. People with the correct number of chromosomes are able to see your point by the second sentence but you have an irritating habit of circumlocution so while you think you're successfully presenting a veneer of objectivity, you're actually just conveying a tone of disingenuousness.

You may want to read George Orwell's essay, Politics and the English Language, for advice on what not to do.
 

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You spent a lot of words trying to say "we're still better than the Chinese because I want to believe so."

Here's some advice, Jeff, get to the point. People with the correct number of chromosomes are able to see your point by the second sentence but you have an irritating habit of circumlocution so while you think you're successfully presenting a veneer of objectivity, you're actually just conveying a tone of disingenuousness.

You may want to read George Orwell's essay, Politics and the English Language, for advice on what not to do.
Jobjed...I jhave no quarell with you are with the Chinese people.

Please stop trying to pick a fight and a quarell where none is deisred or warranted.

I am not betteer than anyone.

I believe the US still ha a sigifnicant advantage in severaal areas. That may or may not last.

The US has been strong for two hundred years not because its people are any better as individuals than anyone else.

It is strong because people came here for freedom...and particulalry to worship God according to the dictates of their hearts.

The majority of Americans are still that way, and I believe God will honor that so His message can coninue to go forth...not to make us bette than anyone, but ass a beacon so people can become all they are capable of being.

We have problems in America because there are groups that do not want to believe or accept this...with freedom comes repeonsibility. I believe the American peoeple will rise to that challenge and America can become that kind of strong again...its the only strength that really matters...that moral strength...and it is ad should be available to everyone...but only on a free will basis.

Anyhow the whole point to this discussion is for me to let you know that I seek no quarell with you or anyone else. And that I do not believe I or any groups is better than anyone else. We are all equally loved and important in God's eyes...all else that makes America flows from that.

Anyhow...I pray God's best on you and yours.

I ray sincerely that the Chinese people will rise themselves and obtain true freedom. They are cllearly capable of great things...and I know that a truly free people can obtain the most possible good for themselves and their oloved ones.

I hope that hapens for all peoples.

I do have interesst in these technolgies. And I do have interests in the alliances of people with shared values when it comes to true liberty.

...and I hope America will repent of some of the things it has done wrong (like any nation should) and regain its strength in the process.

I rrespect greatly the Chionese people...I know thye are proud of what they are accomplishing...and they deserve to be, particularly as they use these strengths to forge forward peasfully and make friends with those who should and could be their friends.

That is my firmest and heartfelt hope.

I may not live to see it...but I also know that I will see it from where I know I will be after my mortal life is over.

In the neam time, I hope you will accept my words here as they are sincerely given.

SD is great place and has been for years. I hope it remains so.

To you, to @bd popeye to @Obi Wan Russell to @tphuang to @Equation to @Air Force Brat to @duncanidaho to @Deino to @siegecrossbow to @WebMaster to @Dfangsaur and all others here, I say these things in humility and sincerely. My own health ontinues to deteriorate and I know the Drs are amazed that I have lved almost two years now when back then they said I had 3-4 months left. But I know there are things the good Lord wants me to do, and I will do it as long as I can.

And in the mean time...just let's bury whatever hatchet. Okay?

God's speed.
 
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Jeff Head

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Jeff, you and I both know the PLA doesn't work this way.

The US has been publicizing the R&D of their rail guns and other weapon systems and programmes since early demonstrators.

The PLA generally does not do this, and they tend to reveal products after much of the R&D is already done, with little prior publicity. For example, the USAF's ATF programme that led to the YF-22 and F-22 was known to the public, as was the JSF, and the USAF's current B-21 was a result of the various precursors in the form of NGB, LRS-B, etc, that was all known to the public as well.

But if we look at Chinese counterparts, the first J-20 prototype emerged in late 2010/early 2011 with little prior publicity at all, nothing like what the ATF was like. The upcoming Chinese stealth bomber has had little to no official publicity or marketing either. The same goes for virtually every aircraft, ship, or missile system that China develops.



In the case of China's railgun -- it would make complete sense that they do not show any of the R&D that the USN has revealed over the last decade or more, and to only reveal their system once it is in the later stages of development. In this case, testing a system aboard a ship at sea, after extensive testing and verification on land at first, which in turn would have been preceded by many demonstrators, subscale demonstrators, and the basic R&D before that.

You aren't new to PLA watching Jeff, and I think it is a bit unreasonable to expect China to openly produce the kind of publicity for its rail gun development that the USN has done.
I understand...but I honestly believe t would be the wisest course for them to take.

I know full well what you are saying and I have been researching and studying the pRC for many years. had been doing it since the mid-1990s before there was an SD and found SD soon after it was created. So yes, I know what position the PRC takes on these things.

We can agree to differ and disagree on these things, none the less, I believe being much more open about these things, is not a bad course and is something that would, IMHO enhance and benefit the PRC's position.

But that is just my opinion.
 

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