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supersnoop

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Indian navy hardly imports anything
Almost all warships except for one Russian aircraft carrier (Admiral gorshkov) in Indian navy are completely made in India
How come Indian airforce relies heavily on imported fighter jets ?
Is it because Indian made fighter jets use American engines and may face maintenance issues in case of American Sanctions?

All the carrier aircraft have been imported since the Sea Harrier, to MiG-29K, now Rafale-M.

US doesn’t use Meteor, and it is certainly capable of replacing the ejection seat.

As mentioned, for IN, the radar sets are Israeli. They are also subject to US sanctions (as China knows). What is a destroyer without radar? Defenceless. What is a carrier without aircraft? A cruise ship.
 

kentchang

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All the carrier aircraft have been imported since the Sea Harrier, to MiG-29K, now Rafale-M.

US doesn’t use Meteor, and it is certainly capable of replacing the ejection seat.

As mentioned, for IN, the radar sets are Israeli. They are also subject to US sanctions (as China knows). What is a destroyer without radar? Defenceless. What is a carrier without aircraft? A cruise ship.

So long as the U.S. perceives a higher threat from China, India is quite safe in using U.S./Israeli technologies. U.S. is not stupid enough to push India away. Ergo, for the life span of current generation platforms, nothing to worry about. This gives India time to get the upgrades/replacements ready before 2040.
 

Abominable

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So long as the U.S. perceives a higher threat from China, India is quite safe in using U.S./Israeli technologies. U.S. is not stupid enough to push India away. Ergo, for the life span of current generation platforms, nothing to worry about. This gives India time to get the upgrades/replacements ready before 2040.
Americans have a habit of stabbing their allies in the back. Americans have sanctioned India in the past.

I think it is wiser for the Indians to trust the French over the Americans, who will sell military equipment to anyone.
 

Chandragupt

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All the carrier aircraft have been imported since the Sea Harrier, to MiG-29K, now Rafale-M.

US doesn’t use Meteor, and it is certainly capable of replacing the ejection seat.

As mentioned, for IN, the radar sets are Israeli. They are also subject to US sanctions (as China knows). What is a destroyer without radar? Defenceless. What is a carrier without aircraft? A cruise ship.
All of them will get replaced with Indian made systems and subsystems be it the Ukrainian engine the radars or the fighter jets
Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) is under development for Indian Navy it looks like Korean KF21
stealth design without internal weapons bay
tedbf_1200x630xt.jpg
I like the design of Indian made fighter jets they look so cool
 

Chandragupt

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Americans have a habit of stabbing their allies in the back. Americans have sanctioned India in the past.

I think it is wiser for the Indians to trust the French over the Americans, who will sell military equipment to anyone.
India should trust no one the day India has replaced American engines in Tejas with their own indigenous engines it would be among the best selling fighter jets in the world because F16s though a good fighter jet is prone to American sanctions
Though I will put Tejas above F16 even at this stage because Tejas has only one American component which is the turbofan engine so a country can order extra engine and spare parts in advance to avoid the maintenance issues in case of American sanctions on the other hand F16s are entirely made in USA so ordering each and every spare part in advance may not be cost effective and practical because an aircraft has to go through upgrades
and Indian Japanese or Chinese turbofan engines are suitable for East Asian countries because Russian engines are designed to operate in extremely low temperature and may not work properly in hot or humid conditions or in deserts
 

Chandragupt

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@Knight Kien @Abominable what's there to laugh?
A fighter jet with an American engine (Like Tejas) is always less prone to American sanctions compared to that fighter jet which has been imported directly from USA (like F16)
American engines in Tejas can be replaced with Indian engines in future but is it possible to replace American engines in F16 with Indian engine ? no
On top of that Engines can be ordered in advance with spare parts to avoid maintenance issues even during US sanctions but ordering spare parts for an entire fighter jet is not only expensive but also not practical because a fighter jet has to go through upgrades
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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@Knight Kien @Abominable what's there to laugh?
A fighter jet with an American engine (Like Tejas) is always less prone to American sanctions compared to that fighter jet which has been imported directly from USA (like F16)
American engines in Tejas can be replaced with Indian engines in future but is it possible to replace American engines in F16 with Indian engine ? no
On top of that Engines can be ordered in advance with spare parts to avoid maintenance issues even during US sanctions but ordering spare parts for an entire fighter jet is not only expensive but also not practical because a fighter jet has to go through upgrades
Well, I think the general idea is to reduce reliance on foreign components and parts for as much as possible, whether that be China's case or India's case.

Buying an F-16 is indeed more risky than buying F404 engines for the Tejas and AMCA. Although, when we go into the specifics, critical components of fighter jets such as aircraft engines and avionics are definitely more risky to be sourced abroad than, say, airframes and hydraulic systems that are easier to make and fabricate. Therefore, it is indeed imperative for India to seek indigenous replacement for these kinds of components as well - China has been doing that non-stop for more than 30 years now.

As an extra note, this forum is the Sino Defense Forum, and that much of our members have pro-China stances. Therefore, we have seen first hand and understood very well how dangerous it is to rely on imported components that are vital for national defense. Hence the responses.
 
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Chandragupt

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Well, I think the general idea is to reduce reliance on foreign components and parts for as much as possible, whether that be China's case or India's case.

Buying an F-16 is indeed more risky than buying F404 engines for the Tejas and AMCA. Although, when we go into the specifics, critical components of fighter jets such as aircraft engines and avionics are definitely more risky to be sourced abroad than, say, airframes and hydraulic systems that are easier to make and fabricate. Therefore, it is indeed imperative for India to seek indigenous replacement for these kinds of components as well - China has been doing that non-stop for more than 30 years now.

As an extra note, this forum is the Sino Defense Forum, and that much of our members have pro-China stances. Therefore, we understood very well first-hand how dangerous it is to rely on imported components that are vital for national defense. Thus, the responses.
Foreign components and US made components in particular because nobody knows when will US put a country under sanctions only for buying cheap gasoline from Iran or Russia or for buying some millitary hardware like S400
Turkey didn't get F35 from USA because they bought S400 from Russia
Now someone may ask why USA didn't sanction India for doing the same the reason is because India has to buy 1000+ Turbofan engine for various different fighter jets they're making indigenously and sanctioning India mean USA would be loosing billions of dollars which they wish to earn selling these engines to India
 
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