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Chandragupt

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@Knight Kien @Abominable what's there to laugh?
A fighter jet with an American engine (Like Tejas) is always less prone to American sanctions compared to that fighter jet which has been imported directly from USA (like F16)
American engines in Tejas can be replaced with Indian engines in future but is it possible to replace American engines in F16 with Indian engine ? no
On top of that Engines can be ordered in advance with spare parts to avoid maintenance issues even during US sanctions but ordering spare parts for an entire fighter jet is not only expensive but also not practical because a fighter jet has to go through upgrades
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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@Knight Kien @Abominable what's there to laugh?
A fighter jet with an American engine (Like Tejas) is always less prone to American sanctions compared to that fighter jet which has been imported directly from USA (like F16)
American engines in Tejas can be replaced with Indian engines in future but is it possible to replace American engines in F16 with Indian engine ? no
On top of that Engines can be ordered in advance with spare parts to avoid maintenance issues even during US sanctions but ordering spare parts for an entire fighter jet is not only expensive but also not practical because a fighter jet has to go through upgrades
Well, I think the general idea is to reduce reliance on foreign components and parts for as much as possible, whether that be China's case or India's case.

Buying an F-16 is indeed more risky than buying F404 engines for the Tejas and AMCA. Although, when we go into the specifics, critical components of fighter jets such as aircraft engines and avionics are definitely more risky to be sourced abroad than, say, airframes and hydraulic systems that are easier to make and fabricate. Therefore, it is indeed imperative for India to seek indigenous replacement for these kinds of components as well - China has been doing that non-stop for more than 30 years now.

As an extra note, this forum is the Sino Defense Forum, and that much of our members have pro-China stances. Therefore, we have seen first hand and understood very well how dangerous it is to rely on imported components that are vital for national defense. Hence the responses.
 
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Chandragupt

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Well, I think the general idea is to reduce reliance on foreign components and parts for as much as possible, whether that be China's case or India's case.

Buying an F-16 is indeed more risky than buying F404 engines for the Tejas and AMCA. Although, when we go into the specifics, critical components of fighter jets such as aircraft engines and avionics are definitely more risky to be sourced abroad than, say, airframes and hydraulic systems that are easier to make and fabricate. Therefore, it is indeed imperative for India to seek indigenous replacement for these kinds of components as well - China has been doing that non-stop for more than 30 years now.

As an extra note, this forum is the Sino Defense Forum, and that much of our members have pro-China stances. Therefore, we understood very well first-hand how dangerous it is to rely on imported components that are vital for national defense. Thus, the responses.
Foreign components and US made components in particular because nobody knows when will US put a country under sanctions only for buying cheap gasoline from Iran or Russia or for buying some millitary hardware like S400
Turkey didn't get F35 from USA because they bought S400 from Russia
Now someone may ask why USA didn't sanction India for doing the same the reason is because India has to buy 1000+ Turbofan engine for various different fighter jets they're making indigenously and sanctioning India mean USA would be loosing billions of dollars which they wish to earn selling these engines to India
 

Chandragupt

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These are the fighter jets which are either under production or under development in India
Tejas MK1/MK1A = 123 (single engine)
Tejas MK2 = 210 (single engine)
Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) = 100 (Twin Engine)
Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) = 125 (Twin Engine)
Now coming to trainer aircrafts
HLFT-42 (single engine) numbers not known
LIFT (single engine) numbers not known
A fighter jet needs 3 engines in it's entire lifetime India would be needing atleast 2088 turbofan engines to power these fighter jets and I am not even counting repeat orders (which IAF is already planning for Tejas MK1A)
Now you can calculate the amount in USD by multiplying 2088 with the average cost of a turbofan engine US wouldn't like loosing this lucrative deal if US sanctions India this deal would go to France , UK , Russia or Japan
 

zavve

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India should trust no one the day India has replaced American engines in Tejas with their own indigenous engines it would be among the best selling fighter jets in the world because F16s though a good fighter jet is prone to American sanctions
Tejas is in the market for countries looking for a 4th generation platform that is inferior to F-16, Gripen, Typhoon, Rafael and J-10C. And honestly who in 2035 when India finally develops an indigenous engine would want such a plane (mediocre 4th Gen in 2035)?
 

kentchang

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Tejas is in the market for countries looking for a 4th generation platform that is inferior to F-16, Gripen, Typhoon, Rafael and J-10C. And honestly who in 2035 when India finally develops an indigenous engine would want such a plane (mediocre 4th Gen in 2035)?

Not to mention all the used ones including F-35s for very cheap prices. Fighter purchases are like ancient marriages done for alliance reasons more than technical. India doesn't have any alliance partners to buy from and these jets are subject to permissions from multiple countries which have their own self-interests.

Don't forget other emerging countries with such ambitions like South Korea, Japan, and Turkey. Both have better reputations than India. China has the African market while Latin America prefers European. I don't see where India can sell?

Finally, it seems by 2035, all the missions for the Tejas Mk.2 can and will be performed by UAVs.
 

kentchang

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Foreign components and US made components in particular because nobody knows when will US put a country under sanctions only for buying cheap gasoline from Iran or Russia or for buying some millitary hardware like S400
Turkey didn't get F35 from USA because they bought S400 from Russia
Now someone may ask why USA didn't sanction India for doing the same the reason is because India has to buy 1000+ Turbofan engine for various different fighter jets they're making indigenously and sanctioning India mean USA would be loosing billions of dollars which they wish to earn selling these engines to India

I doubt very much the reason is economic. Ten billion dollars over a couple decades is nothing to the U.S. (or EU or China). No more than a couple fancy real-estate developments or metro lines. Much more likely the U.S. wants another lapdog in its camp against China.
 

Chandragupt

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Tejas is in the market for countries looking for a 4th generation platform that is inferior to F-16, Gripen, Typhoon, Rafael and J-10C. And honestly who in 2035 when India finally develops an indigenous engine would want such a plane (mediocre 4th Gen in 2035)?
Tejas is inferior to Eurofighter typhoon and Rafales but not to F16 , J10C or Gripen and this is what I have learned after comparing these fighter jets spec by spec
Tejas has the smallest RCS among these fighter jets and a powerful GaAs UTTAM AESA Radar (which has 992 TR modules)
Gripen is like a zoo with animals from all around the world the most crucial components like engines radars avionics missiles are imported from various different countries you mess up with one country and you have maintenance issues
I am not denying that J10C is a good fighter jet but no country except for Pakistan has bought J10C despite PLAAF operating it in huge numbers.
I can understand Tejas not getting export orders because IAF is yet to operate it in huge numbers but why did J10C not get export orders despite PLAAF operating it in huge numbers?
 
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