The Main-Armament Level Of Warships Entering Service

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    first point, it's my hobby activity: don't expect much LOL

    second point, I repeat what I posted Jul 5, 2017
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    just in this repost you can't see the chart (LOL), as the image-hosting site I had used recently deleted all older stuff while now requiring a registration etc.; anyway I've kept the script, now thought I should update that chart, so

    third point, I of course didn't refit, only added into the graphics, in blue (at approximate positions; I'll ignore nitpicking):

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    fourth point, I'm not interested in FFBNW spin-doctoring (potential for growth, future upgrades, should the need arise ... blah, blah and blah), I'm interested in what a ship has at around the time when she enters service! but even if I see for example a view (of that Gowind) like this:
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    with the space ready for the expected missiles, I of course don't know it they won't sail with empty air anyway (because of not purchasing the missiles or something)

    fifth point, I'm going to be updating the chart
     
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    There are other factors that go into warship design too, most significantly range and endurance at sea.

    Russian and Korean warships trade range/endurance for armament, which makes sense in light of the limited and defensive character of their naval doctrines born of geostrategic requirements.

    Other nations make different calculations and trade-offs according to their own geostrategic requirements.
     
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    trade-offs, huh?

    wiki for Arleigh Burke says 4400 nm, while for the collection from Yesterday at 9:30 PM:
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    now it's of course possible to say I should've stated at what speed was that "range" achieved, but in the above table only Buyan-Ms have a small range LOL so to me, 'tradeoff' sounds like 'no money for missiles'
     
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    the stringent test of the line from Thursday at 9:30 PM
    would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battlecruiser_Admiral_Nakhimov
    if ever refurbished, in the process which is ... dragging (now they say
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170927/1505690355.html
    they'll finish in 2021 LOL)

    I now looked at this relatively modest fan-art:
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    (it's relatively modest when compared to other fan-art)

    captioned:

    УКСК (= универсальный корабельный стрельбовый комплекс)
    3 ВПУ (= вертикальная пусковая установка), 48 cells in each, total 144 cells
    it basically means VLS for Kalibrs, possibly other cruise missiles in the future

    ЗРК (= зенитный ракетный комплекс)
    "Редут" (as in http://www.deagel.com/Protection-Systems/Poliment-Redut_a002375001.aspx)
    5 ВПУ as above, 5*48=240 cells
    it basically means area-defense missile system (anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense)

    the sum would be whopping 384 cells :)

    had they installed just six arrays, they would've been (with 6*48=288 tubes while displacing 28k) close to the line:
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    Interesting, good idea but the fan art is medium... i have see one with 30 anti-ships/LACM VLS :D

    Nakhimov have for soon 10 UKSK VLS with 80 missiles futur Zircon possible but right now Kaliber, Klub and Onyx same as Oscar II 949AM new variant soon in service.

    For SAMs ? 16 x 8 miss ? S-400 navalised with 4 different missiles usable 40/400 km.
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t575p350-upgraded-kirov-class-project-11442-admiral-nakhimov
     
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    into the chart from
    Thursday at 9:30 PM
    I now quickly added:

    one, armed-to-teeth warship (LOL but pricey:
    Dec 1, 2016
    ) which is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEKO_200#El_Radii_class_.28MEKO_A-200AN.29
    with 32 SAMs in VLS cells and 16 AShM canisters, while displacing 3.4k: 48/3.4 is more than 14, the highest value for the ships included in the chart;
    marked approximately where the exclamation mark in cyan is in the chart below

    two, politically-correct warship (8, it's eight, Harpoons on 7.2k displacing hull, and this is it, I ROFL) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-Württemberg-class_Frigate
    marked approximately where the question mark in magenta is in the chart below; let's wait and see if the other Western Navies will catch up with this revolution (started by the USN LCSs) by getting peaceships:
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    LOL thought it'd be pathetic not to modify after I had posted about Type 055
    24 minutes ago
    so I now refit, redacted the description (originally from Jul 5, 2017)
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    actually the Molniyas for Vietnam have the (number of tubes)-to-displacement ratio of over 28 LOL
    16/0.563
    plus wiki says "They have a range of 1,700 nautical miles ..."

    also their max. speed; Pozitiv radar; 3"; two CIWS 30 mm are interesting ...:
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    http://www.almaz-kb.ru/rus/catalogue/12418.php

    saying it as the next two are entering service in Vietnam: http://flot.com/2017/Азия27/
    (the fourth batch)
     
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    LOL nobody reads this anyway, so I'll put here what's just a design, but properly armed:
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    a Turkish corvette, 3k displacing, 16 cells of Mk 41 VLS plus 16 canisters with possibly the new Turkish AShMs Tuesday at 7:39 AM
    or with the Harpoons ... that's how I understood the google translation of:
    from inside of (the page is not dated, don't know if it's a part of One Thousand and One Night)
    https://www.dzkk.tsk.tr/icerik.php?dil=1&icerik_id=76
     
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    When (not if) Russia refurbishes it's nuclear Kirov cruisers. It would represent a significant boost in their ability to project power and establish their Navy's control in whichever area of operations they're assigned to. I sure do hope that Russia manages to upgrade all four Kirov Cruisers. Kirov symbolizes the greatness of the Russian Navy as it once was. But to take it one step further, it would be delightful to witness a resurgent Russian Navy. Their resilience (Russian) is admirable and encouraging to witness. As with the Kirovs, would love to see the likes of Lider Class nuclear destroyers, Super Gorshkov destroyers, as well as Gorshkov frigates. Judging by the design of Steregushchiy, Buyan-Ms, Gorshkov, it's with a certain degree of confidence that I can say that when Russia brings out its destroyers and heavy frigates. They will be in a class of their own. With the Chinese having the spot light on them with their awesome pace in churning out destroyer after destroyer, frigate after frigate. It's only natural to have a keen expectation to see the Russians match their Chinese friends with their new ships. Looking forward to the times ahead. I have always been a great admirer of the Russians (not soviet, there is big difference).
     

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