The Main-Armament Level Of Warships Entering Service

Jura

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first point, it's my hobby activity: don't expect much LOL

second point, I repeat what I posted Jul 5, 2017
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inspired by
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I took a look at properly armed warships (not a misery like this:
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the square represents 1.0 k-displacing Project 21631 (so called Buyan-M with eight so called Kalibrs: if you want to nitpick or don't know what I talk about, please skip reading this); 8 tubes in total

the circle symbol represents 2.5 k-displacing Project 20385 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Redut: again, don't nitpick!); 24 tubes in total

the upward-pointing triangle symbol represents 3.6 k-displacing Incheon-II (8 Korean AShMs, 16 cells Korean VLS); 24 tubes in total

the downward-pointing triangle symbol represents 4.0 k-displacing Project 11356 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Shtil: again, don't nitpick!); 32 tubes in total

the diamond symbol represents 4.1 k-displacing Type 054A (32 cells VLS; 8xC-803); 40 tubes in total

the left-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.4 k-displacing Project 22350 (16 Kalibrs, 32 cells of Redut: don't start nitpicking here); 48 tubes in total

the right-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.5 k-displacing KDX-II (32 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 8 Korean AShMs); 72 tubes in total

the hexagon symbol represents 7.5 k-displacing Type 052D (64 cells VLS); 64 tubes in total

the star symbols represents 11.0 k-displacing KDX-III (80 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 16 Korean AShMs); 144 tubes in total

and finally, the speculative pentagon (sorry! LOL) symbol represents 12 k-displacing Type 055 with 128 cells VLS, 128 tubes in total



as you can see, these ships MORE OR LESS follow the trend of eleven tubes per one thousand metric tons of full displacement; they're WARSHIPS
just in this repost you can't see the chart (LOL), as the image-hosting site I had used recently deleted all older stuff while now requiring a registration etc.; anyway I've kept the script, now thought I should update that chart, so

third point, I of course didn't refit, only added into the graphics, in blue (at approximate positions; I'll ignore nitpicking):


fourth point, I'm not interested in
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spin-doctoring (potential for growth, future upgrades, should the need arise ... blah, blah and blah), I'm interested in what a ship has at around the time when she enters service! but even if I see for example a view (of that Gowind) like this:

with the space ready for the expected missiles, I of course don't know it they won't sail with empty air anyway (because of not purchasing the missiles or something)

fifth point, I'm going to be updating the chart
 
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There are other factors that go into warship design too, most significantly range and endurance at sea.

Russian and Korean warships trade range/endurance for armament, which makes sense in light of the limited and defensive character of their naval doctrines born of geostrategic requirements.

Other nations make different calculations and trade-offs according to their own geostrategic requirements.
 

Jura

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There are other factors that go into warship design too, most significantly range and endurance at sea.

Russian and Korean warships trade range/endurance for armament, which makes sense in light of the limited and defensive character of their naval doctrines born of geostrategic requirements.

Other nations make different calculations and trade-offs according to their own geostrategic requirements.
trade-offs, huh?

wiki for Arleigh Burke says 4400 nm, while for the collection from Yesterday at 9:30 PM:

now it's of course possible to say I should've stated at what speed was that "range" achieved, but in the above table only Buyan-Ms have a small range LOL so to me, 'tradeoff' sounds like 'no money for missiles'
 

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the stringent test of the line from Thursday at 9:30 PM
would be
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if ever refurbished, in the process which is ... dragging (now they say
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they'll finish in 2021 LOL)

I now looked at this relatively modest fan-art:

(it's relatively modest when compared to other fan-art)

captioned:

УКСК (= универсальный корабельный стрельбовый комплекс)
3 ВПУ (= вертикальная пусковая установка), 48 cells in each, total 144 cells
it basically means VLS for Kalibrs, possibly other cruise missiles in the future

ЗРК (= зенитный ракетный комплекс)
"Редут" (as in
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5 ВПУ as above, 5*48=240 cells
it basically means area-defense missile system (anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense)

the sum would be whopping 384 cells :)

had they installed just six arrays, they would've been (with 6*48=288 tubes while displacing 28k) close to the line:
 

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the stringent test of the line from Thursday at 9:30 PM
would be
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if ever refurbished, in the process which is ... dragging (now they say
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they'll finish in 2021 LOL)

I now looked at this relatively modest fan-art:

(it's relatively modest when compared to other fan-art)

captioned:

УКСК (= универсальный корабельный стрельбовый комплекс)
3 ВПУ (= вертикальная пусковая установка), 48 cells in each, total 144 cells
it basically means VLS for Kalibrs, possibly other cruise missiles in the future

ЗРК (= зенитный ракетный комплекс)
"Редут" (as in
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5 ВПУ as above, 5*48=240 cells
it basically means area-defense missile system (anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense)

the sum would be whopping 384 cells :)

had they installed just six arrays, they would've been (with 6*48=288 tubes while displacing 28k) close to the line:
Interesting, good idea but the fan art is medium... i have see one with 30 anti-ships/LACM VLS :D

Nakhimov have for soon 10 UKSK VLS with 80 missiles futur Zircon possible but right now Kaliber, Klub and Onyx same as Oscar II 949AM new variant soon in service.

For SAMs ? 16 x 8 miss ? S-400 navalised with 4 different missiles usable 40/400 km.
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into the chart from
Thursday at 9:30 PM
I now quickly added:

one, armed-to-teeth warship (LOL but pricey:
Dec 1, 2016
...

the MEKOs were very expensive:
Feb 26, 2016

... I had a link for this, I believe it had been to Jane's article which is now gone, so I googled (except of my own post hahaha) the older info:
"TKMS will supply two Meko 200 frigates and six AgustaWestland Super Lynx helicopters under the €2.5 billion contract." from Wednesday, 04 April 2012
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(those MEKOs are really packed, the armament includes OTO 5" with VOLCANO ammo
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which enables to strike deep ... I've heard at one point Germans were reluctant to wire it)
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with 32 SAMs in VLS cells and 16 AShM canisters, while displacing 3.4k: 48/3.4 is more than 14, the highest value for the ships included in the chart;
marked approximately where the exclamation mark in cyan is in the chart below

two, politically-correct warship (8, it's eight, Harpoons on 7.2k displacing hull, and this is it, I ROFL)
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marked approximately where the question mark in magenta is in the chart below; let's wait and see if the other Western Navies will catch up with this revolution (started by the USN LCSs) by getting peaceships:
 

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LOL thought it'd be pathetic not to modify after I had posted about Type 055
24 minutes ago
here we go:

[东方新闻]海上今朝(四):国产万吨“大驱”成功下水的背后
2017年10月12日 19:22
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so I now refit, redacted the description (originally from Jul 5, 2017)
the square represents 1.0 k-displacing Project 21631 (so called Buyan-M with eight so called Kalibrs: if you want to nitpick or don't know what I talk about, please skip reading this); 8 tubes in total

the circle symbol represents 2.5 k-displacing Project 20385 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Redut: again, don't nitpick!); 24 tubes in total

the upward-pointing triangle symbol represents 3.6 k-displacing Incheon-II (8 Korean AShMs, 16 cells Korean VLS); 24 tubes in total

the downward-pointing triangle symbol represents 4.0 k-displacing Project 11356 (8 Kalibrs, 16 cells of so called Shtil: again, don't nitpick!); 32 tubes in total

the diamond symbol represents 4.1 k-displacing Type 054A (32 cells VLS; 8xC-803); 40 tubes in total

the left-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.4 k-displacing Project 22350 (16 Kalibrs, 32 cells of Redut: don't start nitpicking here); 48 tubes in total

the right-pointing triangle symbol represents 5.5 k-displacing KDX-II (32 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 8 Korean AShMs); 72 tubes in total

the hexagon symbol represents 7.5 k-displacing Type 052D (64 cells VLS); 64 tubes in total

the star symbols represents 11.0 k-displacing KDX-III (80 cells of Mk 41 VLS, 32 cells of Korean VLS, 16 Korean AShMs); 144 tubes in total

and finally, the pentagon (sorry! LOL) symbol represents 12 k-displacing Type 055 with 112 cells VLS, 112 tubes in total


as you can see below, these ships MORE OR LESS follow the trend of ten tubes per one thousand metric tons of full displacement; they're WARSHIPS
 
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Jura

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with 32 SAMs in VLS cells and 16 AShM canisters, while displacing 3.4k: 48/3.4 is more than 14, the highest value for the ships included in the chart;
marked approximately where the exclamation mark in cyan is in the chart below

...
actually the Molniyas for Vietnam have the (number of tubes)-to-displacement ratio of over 28 LOL
16/0.563
plus
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says "They have a range of 1,700 nautical miles ..."

also their max. speed;
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radar; 3"; two CIWS 30 mm are interesting ...:

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saying it as the next two are entering service in Vietnam:
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(the fourth batch)
 

Jura

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LOL nobody reads this anyway, so I'll put here what's just a design, but properly armed:

a Turkish corvette, 3k displacing, 16 cells of Mk 41 VLS plus 16 canisters with possibly the new Turkish AShMs Tuesday at 7:39 AM
now noticed the article (dated Oct 16, 2017)
Turkish Navy announces successful test-fire of Atmaca anti-ship missile
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or with the Harpoons ... that's how I understood the google translation of:
ADA Sınıfı Korvetlerin tasarımı esas alınarak “İ” sınıfı fırkateyn tasarımı Deniz Kuvvetleri Dizayn Proje Ofisi tarafından gerçekleştirilmektedir.

“İ” sınıfı firkateynler; Türk Deniz Kuvvetlerinin değişen ve gelişen ihtiyaçlarına uygun olarak, 16 hücreli Mk-41 Dikey Atım Sistemi ile toplam 64 adet yakın savunma ESSM güdümlü mermisi ve 16 adet Harpoon Blok I/II veya ATMACA satıhtan satha/karaya güdümlü mermi atabilecek, ayrıca Ağ Destekli Yetenek özelliğinde GENESIS ADVENT savaş yönetim sistemi ile donatılacaktır.

“İ” sınıfı firkateynler kıçüstü platformunda 10 ton helikopter taşıyabilecek ve helikopter için hangar ile bakım servis imkânına sahip olacaktır. Gemilerin Ana Tahrik Sistemi, CODAG konfigürasyonuna sahip olacak şekilde, bir gaz türbini ile 2 dizel makinadan oluşmaktadır.

Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı geminin dizayn ve prototipinin inşasından sorumludur. Sınıfının ilk gemisi olan ISTANBUL’un resmi olarak inşa başlangıç töreni 03 Temmuz 2017 tarihinde İstanbul Tersanesi Komutanlığında icra edilmiştir. İSTANBUL’un 2021 yılında hizmete girmesi planlıdır.

İlave olarak özel sektör tersaneleri tarafından inşa edilmesi öngörülen 3 geminin sırasıyla 2022, 2023 ve 2024 yıllarında hizmete alınması planlıdır.

“İ” Sınıfı Firkateynler 113.2 metre boy, 14.4 metre genişlik, 3.000 ton deplasmana sahip olacak ve saatte 29 deniz mili (54 km/saat) üzerinde sürat yapabilecektir.
from inside of (the page is not dated, don't know if it's a part of One Thousand and One Night)
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the stringent test of the line from Thursday at 9:30 PM
would be
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if ever refurbished, in the process which is ... dragging (now they say
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they'll finish in 2021 LOL)

I now looked at this relatively modest fan-art:

(it's relatively modest when compared to other fan-art)

captioned:

УКСК (= универсальный корабельный стрельбовый комплекс)
3 ВПУ (= вертикальная пусковая установка), 48 cells in each, total 144 cells
it basically means VLS for Kalibrs, possibly other cruise missiles in the future

ЗРК (= зенитный ракетный комплекс)
"Редут" (as in
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)
5 ВПУ as above, 5*48=240 cells
it basically means area-defense missile system (anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense)

the sum would be whopping 384 cells :)

had they installed just six arrays, they would've been (with 6*48=288 tubes while displacing 28k) close to the line:
When (not if) Russia refurbishes it's nuclear Kirov cruisers. It would represent a significant boost in their ability to project power and establish their Navy's control in whichever area of operations they're assigned to. I sure do hope that Russia manages to upgrade all four Kirov Cruisers. Kirov symbolizes the greatness of the Russian Navy as it once was. But to take it one step further, it would be delightful to witness a resurgent Russian Navy. Their resilience (Russian) is admirable and encouraging to witness. As with the Kirovs, would love to see the likes of Lider Class nuclear destroyers, Super Gorshkov destroyers, as well as Gorshkov frigates. Judging by the design of Steregushchiy, Buyan-Ms, Gorshkov, it's with a certain degree of confidence that I can say that when Russia brings out its destroyers and heavy frigates. They will be in a class of their own. With the Chinese having the spot light on them with their awesome pace in churning out destroyer after destroyer, frigate after frigate. It's only natural to have a keen expectation to see the Russians match their Chinese friends with their new ships. Looking forward to the times ahead. I have always been a great admirer of the Russians (not soviet, there is big difference).
 
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