Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    News from Shangri-La: What China said; Shot’s across Trump’s bow; Reactions; Transcripts galore https://www.defenseone.com/news/2019/06/the-d-brief-june-02-2019/157413/?oref=d-river
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    Wei has his say: China’s defense minister finally had his turn on stage at the IISS Shangri-La Dialogue on Sunday, and after listening to the United States scold China for two days, Gen. Wei Fenghe came prepared with Beijing’s own perspective — or what many later called pure propaganda — on a long list of contentious issues between the two powers.
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    On Taiwan, of the people, by the people…? You heard him right. Wei compared Taiwan to the rebel, slave-owning American South of the 1800s. “Not a single country in the world would tolerate secession. I visited the U.S. last year. American friends told me that Abraham Lincoln was the greatest American president because he led the country to victory in the Civil War and prevented the secession of the U.S. The U.S. is indivisible, so is China. China must be and will be reunified. We find no excuse not to do so. If anyone dares to split Taiwan from China, the Chinese military has no choice but to fight at all costs for national unity.”… “We make no promise to renounce the use of force.”
     
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    How would you judge a comparison of 2 aircraft with (some) specs on only 1?

    I don't understand why anyone would ask for a comparison between 2 fighters when we have so little information on one of them that we're still trying to calculate its dimensions by pixels.
     
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    That's the point. Without facts that statement of being comparable is propaganda
     
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    Oh, I thought you were saying that they're not.

    It was not a technical military paper. Superficially, they are both 5th gen heavy class stealth fighters so that being the level of analysis there, they called them comparable. What's really propaganda is Western media claiming that they are not comparable because there's no way China could be at that level.

    Of course when we require detailed examination, which is not possible here, we don't know if they are comparable or which is superior (or most likely, they are better than each other in different areas).
     
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    add to that the F-22 has been in development and test since 1986, it does indeed now have a combat record, L/O, super maneuverability, and outstanding high altitude performance relating back to its very superior F-119's....

    in real life the J-20 is flying with Russian AL-31FN's or Chinese WS-10's, which by any measure are a generation behind the F-22's power plants, so there's really no comparison...

    the J-20 is China's most advanced combat aircraft no doubt, but to suggest it is comparable to the F-22 is to defy the laws of physics?

    that's before we get into avionics and fire control systems...

    there's hope that at some point in the future the J-20 will finally receive the WS-15, and then we shall see.....
     
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    I think you are confused thinking older means better in terms of jet design.

    The only part we know of is that the F-22 has superior engines to the J-20, so to have them parked on the tarmac, locked down, and engines turned on with you standing behind them, there's no comparison.

    Everything else, even kinematic performance, is the result of many factors (including aerodynamic design and aircraft weight) beyond thrust. The laws of physics are much more complicated than you realize if you suggest you can discern aircraft performance just by engine thrust. That's not to mention the newer radar, systems, etc... on the J-20 that are much more relevant to modern aerial combat than engine power.

    Of course, with WS-15, we are talking about a J-20 superior to this J-20 but as the J-20 is now, there is nothing to say that it isn't fully a peer of or superior to the much older F-22.
     
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    That's the point. Without facts that's just stretching meaning of words to fit a preferred narrative. Propaganda doesn't require facts, logic or the presence of truth value in the content - just cow droppings will do.
     
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    Exclusive: U.S. pursues sale of over $2 billion in weapons to Taiwan, sources say, angering China https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-taiwan-testing-china-sources-idUSKCN1T62CA
     
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    China will not be happy

    ok these are mainly missiles and not big ticket items

    but still I see a response coming
     
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    The PRC wouldn’t be happy if the US sold Taiwan a potato gun. It’s boiler plate.
     
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