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What keeps them at bay is the risk of ignition of a full scale world war with the US.
The way this is framed is to make it seem like a cake walk. Those F16V are vipers in more than just name.
Yeah, jet names don't fight wars. It doesn't matter if it's caller Viper, Blue Jay, Bunny Rabbit or Cotton Candy.

Please, you flatter yourself. A full scale war with the US? China has already announced that it is ready to trade every China city east of Xinjiang in a nuclear war with the US over the ROC. The US has announced... strategic ambiguity... AKA I'm not going to do anything but I can't just say that. If someone asked you what you'd do if a stranger kicked your son at the park, do you have strategic ambiguity or do you tell him you'd go King Kong on the guy in one nanosecond? It's obvious that China is willing to take action and the US, just like in Georgia, Ukraine, SCS, etc... is not, but will complain very loudly.

The only shred of plausibility of foreign power affecting Chinese action is that to take Taiwan by force would cause economic and political tensions with the world, which China would rather not have. But if push comes to shove, it's territory above all.
 

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Yeah, jet names don't fight wars. It doesn't matter if it's caller Viper, Blue Jay, Bunny Rabbit or Cotton Candy.

Please, you flatter yourself. A full scale war with the US? China has already announced that it is ready to trade every China city east of Xinjiang in a nuclear war with the US over the ROC. The US has announced... strategic ambiguity... AKA I'm not going to do anything but I can't just say that. If someone asked you what you'd do if a stranger kicked your son at the park, do you have strategic ambiguity or do you tell him you'd go King Kong on the guy in one nanosecond? It's obvious that China is willing to take action and the US, just like in Georgia, Ukraine, SCS, etc... is not, but will complain very loudly.

The only shred of plausibility of foreign power affecting Chinese action is that to take Taiwan by force would cause economic and political tensions with the world, which China would rather not have. But if push comes to shove, it's territory above all.
1st, It's incredible, isn't it. Anything from Global times is "propoanda " but anything from the western "free press" is not! For crying out loud! The difference between Chinese members and western members here is..... We know and understand ALL media (no matter if its China or Western countries) is a propganda tool for its government!

Whereas western posters only view China's media is propoanda tool of the state, and the western "free press" is not. This is naive or just plain bias. I don't know which and frankly it doesn't matter which, the net results are the same!

2nd, because most of the western peoples recieved all the news & current affairs view their "free press". They are lacking in their understanding on world affairs, particularly with regards to China and Taiwan!

They tend to view it as what their media has written. And that is Taiwan is a seperate country, with its own, and this is a great word they use, "defacto government" to justify to their audience that Taiwan is a "defacto country"

As such they make a big mistake of viwing it as just another conflict between two countries, and in particular where one of these country is acting like a bully, as in big country threatening a small peaceful country. And to cap it all, the small country is a democracy, whereas the big country is a nasty dictatorship! (Never mind that the small country was also a dictatorship when the west started supporting it, an inconveient truth they don't tell you about it the "free press"!

Becausevof these mis-information, the west mis-calculate the seriousnes of the situation.

Make no mistake! Every Chinese are aware what happened about Taiwan's history, and every Chinese will fight to its last breath for the return of this injustice inflicted on Chinese people over number of decades.

So with this in mind, do the west really think they're going to win because of the "cast iron Taiwan relations act"?

The last two times western nations come to defend their "treaties with a oriental defacto government" didn't end that well as I recalled!
 

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China to 'fight at all costs' for 'reunification' with Taiwan: defense minister

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SINGAPORE (Reuters) - China will fight anyone who tries to interfere in its “reunification” with Taiwan, Defense Minister Wei Fenghe said on Sunday in a combative speech peppered with threats against the United States over its military presence in Asia.

Chinese Defense Minister Wei Fenghe attends the IISS Shangri-la Dialogue in Singapore, June 2, 2019. REUTERS/Feline Lim
Speaking at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore, Asia’s premier defense summit, Wei said China would “fight to the end” if anyone tried to split China from Taiwan, which Beijing considers a sacred territory to be taken by force if necessary.

China has been incensed by recent moves by U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration to increase support for self-ruled and democratic Taiwan, including U.S. Navy sailings through the Taiwan Strait that separates the island from mainland China.

“No attempts to split China will succeed. Any interference in the Taiwan question is doomed to failure,” said Wei, dressed in his uniform of a general in the People’s Liberation Army.

“If anyone dares to split Taiwan from China, the Chinese military has no choice but to fight at all costs ... The U.S. is indivisible, and so is China. China must be, and will be, reunified.”

The United States, like most countries, has no formal ties with Taiwan, but is its strongest backer and main source of weapons.

China translates the word “tong yi” as “reunification”, but it can also be translated as “unification”, a term in English preferred by supporters of Taiwan independence who point out the Communist government has never ruled Taiwan and so it cannot be “reunified”.

China-U.S. ties have become increasingly strained due to a bitter trade war, U.S. support for Taiwan and China’s muscular military posture in the South China Sea, where the United States also conducts freedom-of-navigation patrols.

On Saturday, acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan told the Shangri-La meeting that the United States would no longer “tiptoe” around Chinese behavior in Asia.

In May, Taiwan’s national security chief David Lee met White House national security adviser John Bolton, marking the first meeting in more than four decades between senior U.S. and Taiwanese security officials.

Taiwan is gearing up for presidential elections in January, and Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen has repeatedly accused Beijing of seeking to undermine Taiwan’s democracy and has vowed to defend the island and its freedoms.

SELF-DEFENSE

Wei, the first Chinese defense minister to speak at the Shangri-La Dialogue since 2011, said its military operations in Asia were purely aimed at self-defense, but it would not hesitate to counter an attack on its interests.

Chinese Defense Minister Wei Fenghe speaks at the IISS Shangri-la Dialogue in Singapore, June 2, 2019. REUTERS/Feline Lim
“China will not attack unless we are attacked,” Wei said, cautioning that there would be dire consequences to any clash between China and the United States.

“The two sides realize that conflict, or a war between them, would bring disaster to both countries and the world.”

Wei, in a clear reference to the United States, also said: “Some countries from outside the region come to the South China Sea to flex muscles in the name of freedom of navigation.”

On the ongoing trade war, which has shaken financial markets around the world, Wei said China would “fight to the end” if the United States wanted a fight. But if Washington wanted to talk, “we will keep the door open”.
 

Brumby

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“Mainland experts” and Global times
It’s a propaganda article.
It doesn’t need to be a Uber fighter just enough to keep the Mainland at bay.
In a one to one based on what we know of J10 vs What we know of F16V it’s a fair matchup.
J11 is a flanker derivative yeah it’s a better bird as is J20 but near term it’s good enough.
There is no way to make any evaluation based on claims grounded on "nothing". That fits the definition of propaganda. The problem IMO is that there are too many unverified claims taken as truth.

Compared to the Chinese mainland's 3.5-generation lightweight fighter jets, the J-10B and J-10C, the F-16V holds no significant advantage, Fu said, noting it is no match to the mainland's J-11 heavy fighter jet series.
China has already commissioned its fourth-generation stealth fighter jet, the J-20, which is far more advanced than any third-generation ones and comparable to the US' most advanced fighter jet, the F-22, military observers said.
The question is what capabilities the J-20 actually have that makes it comparable to the F-22. I would love to see someone stepping up to the plate.
 

dratsabknihcllik

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Yeah, jet names don't fight wars. It doesn't matter if it's caller Viper, Blue Jay, Bunny Rabbit or Cotton Candy.

Please, you flatter yourself. A full scale war with the US? China has already announced that it is ready to trade every China city east of Xinjiang in a nuclear war with the US over the ROC. The US has announced... strategic ambiguity... AKA I'm not going to do anything but I can't just say that. If someone asked you what you'd do if a stranger kicked your son at the park, do you have strategic ambiguity or do you tell him you'd go King Kong on the guy in one nanosecond? It's obvious that China is willing to take action and the US, just like in Georgia, Ukraine, SCS, etc... is not, but will complain very loudly.

The only shred of plausibility of foreign power affecting Chinese action is that to take Taiwan by force would cause economic and political tensions with the world, which China would rather not have. But if push comes to shove, it's territory above all.
China fought against the US in the Korean war when she didn't have nuclear weapons. Taiwan is a red line for China and I don't think she will 'back down' if things deteriorate in this front just because there is a chance of a world war with the US.
US knows this too...
 

dratsabknihcllik

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1st, It's incredible, isn't it. Anything from Global times is "propoanda " but anything from the western "free press" is not! For crying out loud! The difference between Chinese members and western members here is..... We know and understand ALL media (no matter if its China or Western countries) is a propganda tool for its government!

Whereas western posters only view China's media is propoanda tool of the state, and the western "free press" is not. This is naive or just plain bias. I don't know which and frankly it doesn't matter which, the net results are the same!

2nd, because most of the western peoples recieved all the news & current affairs view their "free press". They are lacking in their understanding on world affairs, particularly with regards to China and Taiwan!

They tend to view it as what their media has written. And that is Taiwan is a seperate country, with its own, and this is a great word they use, "defacto government" to justify to their audience that Taiwan is a "defacto country"

As such they make a big mistake of viwing it as just another conflict between two countries, and in particular where one of these country is acting like a bully, as in big country threatening a small peaceful country. And to cap it all, the small country is a democracy, whereas the big country is a nasty dictatorship! (Never mind that the small country was also a dictatorship when the west started supporting it, an inconveient truth they don't tell you about it the "free press"!

Becausevof these mis-information, the west mis-calculate the seriousnes of the situation.

Make no mistake! Every Chinese are aware what happened about Taiwan's history, and every Chinese will fight to its last breath for the return of this injustice inflicted on Chinese people over number of decades.

So with this in mind, do the west really think they're going to win because of the "cast iron Taiwan relations act"?

The last two times western nations come to defend their "treaties with a oriental defacto government" didn't end that well as I recalled!
Most people from the former Warsaw pact countries know that media is for propaganda but most people from the western countries think media in the west is free and everywhere else(be it all Jazeera, RT or xinhua) it is an arm of the government.
Surprisingly (not) the latter always label the former as brainwashed.

Anecdote: recently YouTube has started giving a short gist like info for media channels. If you watch videos by RT or xinhua you will see that it's mentioned that they are funded by Russian and Chinese government respectively, alluding that these outlets are doing propaganda. There is no such information for BBC even though BBC is funded by the British government. Last year there was an uproar when it was exposed that BBC actively tries to promote Tory opinion/ policies and undermine those of labour. Clearly, at least domestically BBC is not impartial. In international arena too one can find cases of such biased reporting by BBC.
YouTube is owned by Google that supposedly doesn't do any evil...
 

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