WW II Historical Thread, Discussion, Pics, Videos


Dolcevita

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Based on conversations with various Japanese friends, the high school history class mostly covers Japan history leading to the Meiji Era. The Showa era and the war of aggression are hastily skim passed through at the end of school year for supposedly lack of time and prioritizing preparation for the National Entrance Exam. Most people have a very vague romanticized idea on the events and rational leading to the WWII and atrocities committed during this period.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Based on conversations with various Japanese friends, the high school history class mostly covers Japan history leading to the Meiji Era. The Showa era and the war of aggression are hastily skim passed through at the end of school year for supposedly lack of time and prioritizing preparation for the National Entrance Exam. Most people have a very vague romanticized idea on the events and rational leading to the WWII and atrocities committed during this period.

I have no idea why this guys get so hostile against me just because I opposed his points. He is quick to slap what he calls "Pro-CCP" sticker on you, just because people don't see things his way. He is just narrow minded and doesn't even take effort to properly rebuke, rebuff or criticize your points. I don't think he truly cares what you say.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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If you don't even read people's post, what's the point of being here?
If all you do is judge with a glance who's "in your camp", who's "in the opposing camp", and just slap "pro-CCP" sticker on them and pretend you can't hear their argument, what's the point of even posting here?

You haven't even given one proper reply, either down right rejecting all my points, or entirely supporting my points. Why, I ask, are you even posting here?
 

hijiki

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Based on conversations with various Japanese friends, the high school history class mostly covers Japan history leading to the Meiji Era. The Showa era and the war of aggression are hastily skim passed through at the end of school year for supposedly lack of time and prioritizing preparation for the National Entrance Exam. Most people have a very vague romanticized idea on the events and rational leading to the WWII and atrocities committed during this period.

The older generation was taught very little about the war. I've talked with plenty of them about it. The common western opinion on that is that it's "Japanese don't properly teach and refuse to recognize". Actually, one of the conditions laid down by occupying GHQ was the erasure of Imperial Japan from memory. So school books and the media were not allowed to talk about the former Imperial days. Two sides of a coin.

In the younger generation, it is covered more so. Any young kids that say that "they weren't taught" just carelessly don't remember looking at manga under the desk or too busy chatting with the firends, and so on.. during class. Others that do know and paid attention also know the politizication of it and so know its near suicide to talk about it in person, and so, brush it off with a "ah yeah, that's right". It's taught in school: WW II Historical Thread, Discussion, Pics, Videos
 

Dolcevita

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The older generation was taught very little about the war. I've talked with plenty of them about it. The common western opinion on that is that it's "Japanese don't properly teach and refuse to recognize". Actually, one of the conditions laid down by occupying GHQ was the erasure of Imperial Japan from memory. So school books and the media were not allowed to talk about the former Imperial days. Two sides of a coin.

In the younger generation, it is covered more so. Any young kids that say that "they weren't taught" just carelessly don't remember looking at manga under the desk or too busy chatting with the firends, and so on.. during class. Others that do know and paid attention also know the politizication of it and so know its near suicide to talk about it in person, and so, brush it off with a "ah yeah, that's right". It's taught in school: WW II Historical Thread, Discussion, Pics, Videos


Hence effectively to this day, no or minimal introspection on the rational of events during the Showa-era.
 

hijiki

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Hence effectively to this day, no or minimal introspection on the rational of events during the Showa-era.

Well if looking at the actual history, its not black and white good vs bad like with Nazi Germany in Europe. It's a big blur of grey. It is actually more on the US and China side to recognize yhe gray of it instead continuing to indulge in being on the right side of what they've been conditioned into believeing it having been a black and white/good vs bad like in Europe.
 

Dolcevita

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Well if looking at the actual history, its not black and white good vs bad like with Nazi Germany in Europe. It's a big blur of grey. It is actually more on the US and China side to recognize yhe gray of it instead continuing to indulge in being on the right side of what they've been conditioned into believeing it having been a black and white/good vs bad like in Europe.

Not really interested on those effort to make muddle the topic. I am just interested if there was any effort to encourage introspection on this part of history on students. It does not seem so based on the muddled response.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Well if looking at the actual history, its not black and white good vs bad like with Nazi Germany in Europe. It's a big blur of grey. It is actually more on the US and China side to recognize yhe gray of it instead continuing to indulge in being on the right side of what they've been conditioned into believeing it having been a black and white/good vs bad like in Europe.

Again, it's nothing but Japanese short-sightedness and foolish arrogance. You can ignore me, but I will carry on with my point.

In terms of real repentance, the Japanese actually repented much more completely than the Germans. The Japanese people today truly believe in peace, caring for people, equality and human rights. Germans, on the other hand, still has that same arrogance and ubermensch attitude deep down.

However, the Germans are cunning enough to not be foolish like the Japanese. The German actively beat their Nazi-past as a sandbag, and use that to gain legitimacy and moral superiority over even those true defeater of NAZI germany (namely the USSR, the USA and Russia). They use this moral high ground as a diplomatic-political leverage to exert power far beyond their borders.

The Japanese did none of that. All they ever did is doing business and care little about playing the political game abroad. And now that their economic power is no longer a dominant force in the world, they left behind nothing in the diplomatic-political realm. Yes, sure, the majority of Japanese are happy about their non-expanding, passive and inward-going attitude. But that is NOT a good thing for Japan.

The Japanese need to be active, aggressive, outward-going, and take this chance to take a lead in Asia, before it's too late. If the Japanese believe in their values, then be a blameless champion for their own pacifist modern culture and expand that into the political diplomatic realm.

Sacrifice is necessary, especially those dead war criminals. All you need to do is to move those couple of handful names plates out of the Shrine, and you would have gained an immensely large leverage, this will give you a moral high ground you would never imagine.
 

hijiki

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Not really interested on those effort to make muddle the topic. I am just interested if there was any effort to encourage introspection on this part of history on students. It does not seem so based on the muddled response.

Well if you want a full response rather than a muddle response..

Did you read it?
 

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