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Dolcevita

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Since we are replying via youtube now, here is a narrative that is more academic and more pertinent than your petty deflection.
Who knows? you may learn something new. Remember you were saying that Imperial Japan soldiers brutality is proportional to the norm at this time.

 

jimmyjames30x30

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To so say sounds like it overlooks the history that happend.

Maybe because it would produce a sort of questioning not desiable? What if Japan had won? What if the US did not but an oil embargo on Japan or what if the US decided to allow FDR to meet Konoye so as to negotiate about the oil embargo? What if Chiang Kai-shek had not been back stapped in the Xi'an incident meaning no "second united front" thus likely no Second Sino-Japanese War? These are the possible questions if encouraged to introspect.

Is the "introspection" you seek only satisfied if its an "apologize like the Germans" conclusion?

That's an even more idiotic point! If Chiang Kai-shek did not go to war with Japan, the Japanese would be stupid not to go to war with the ROC! What make you think that after the annexation of Manchuria, it would be in Japan's favor to have peace/cease-fire with the ROC? Chiang Kai-shek never recognized Manchukuo, and never accepted separation of Manchuria from the ROC.

Just think about it! If the Japanese were stupid enough to not got to war with the ROC at the time and stopped at the outside of the Great Wall, then Manchukuo would be effectively stuck in between the ROC and the USSR. This was at a time when the USSR is afraid that Outer Mongolia will fall outside of their control and thus exposing the Siberian Railway to potential threat. This chain of suspicion will unite the USSR and the ROC. They will both be able to get more help and gain more concession from each other.

Do you Japanese really want to be stuck in Between the USSR and the ROC in the tiny little Manchuria? Peace at the time, would be in ROC and USSR's benefit and favor. Because they both had a much larger population and larger land mass than Japan at the time. If the Japanese is stupid enough to accept (and even offer) peace, what they will see would be Chiang Kai-shek quickly taking the chance to wipe out the communists and effectively uniting the rest of China, putting an end the warlord era, and starting nation building. And at the same time, he will start maneuvering and reorganizing all of China's military force under his own banner and assign them to front lines. He will have time to carry out massive fortifification project of and around Nanking.

The longer time of peace Japan give to them (USSR and ROC), the stronger and better prepared the ROC becomes, against a potential Japanese attack. And the Russians will be more than happy to supply China with Arms and factories, knowing that those weapons will be first aimed at the Japanese. In the long run, you don't want to be on the defensive against countries that has a larger population, and a larger industrial potential than you. As soon as Japan took Manchuria, they are doomed to carrying on attacking and invading the rest of China.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Nobody ever taught me about this in school.

Dude, I thought this would be common knowledge. I mean just look at ROC National Revolutionary Army's gears during WW2, look at their helmets. Those were German helmets. The most prolific hand gun during the war in China was the Mauser C96. The main rifle used by Chinese forces was the Chiang Kai-shek rifle (中正式), which is literally a licensed copy of the Mauser Standardmodell.
 

localizer

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Dude, I thought this would be common knowledge. I mean just look at ROC National Revolutionary Army's gears during WW2, look at their helmets. Those were German helmets. The most prolific hand gun during the war in China was the Mauser C96. The main rifle used by Chinese forces was the Chiang Kai-shek rifle (中正式), which is literally a licensed copy of the Mauser Standardmodell.

I didn’t know China was a resource life line to Germany D:
 

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